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My personal data is now complete. April 4 - Applications submitted to NJSP Augusta Barracks. June 12 - P2P checks clear the bank July 11 - Permits approved and printed July 16 - Permits delivered. Fourteen weeks, 4 days from start to finish.

I applied for a 30 Day Exemption on June 25. I received the approved exemption today July 16. Three weeks to the day. I sent the two forms directly to the NJSP Firearms Unit, and had the form returned via my local NSJP barracks (Augusta). In the justification section of my application form I simply stated the facts. I would encourage anyone applying to read the pertinent sections of the statute carefully and employ its (implied) suggestions. Patience has its rewards.

Well, it's an oversight; and in NJ it's hard not to have one eventually. I'm sure that will be the last time for you. Perhaps if you speak directly and politely to your chief he'll consider a renewal. I actually use a small spreadsheet. I plug in the issue date and pickup date, and it calculates the earliest future 30 day purchase dates for all permits received, and compares those dates to the 90 and 180 day expiration dates. It also tells me what day of the week those dates fall on. If it's a Sunday or holiday no good; NICS is closed. I adjust my purchase schedule accordingly. Good lord, what have I become? A handgun geek?

From NJ 2C:58-3 f.: A permit to purchase a handgun shall be valid for a period of 90 days from the date of issuance and may be renewed by the issuing authority for good cause for an additional 90 days. The operative word is 'may'. He is not obligated to renew your permit.

I have to say once again that I'm only interested in data for permits being processed through NJSP barracks, and NOT local PDs. I would like a comparison of apples to apples. My barracks to your barracks, if you use a NJSP barracks for your permits. At the end of the day the NJSP is a single organization. My understanding is that all NJSP barracks serve only as conduits between the citizen and Trenton; all the permits are processed and issued (printed) by the Firearms Unit and returned through the barracks. I have also been told that the NJSP use an internal 'courier' service (read 'troopers in their cars') between Trenton and all the local barracks, and that this introduces additional delays. If all this is true, then the total time is the sum of the local barracks work plus Trenton processing, printing and transit. When I called to check two weeks ago my local trooper told me they were 'inundated' with applications and processing, but of course he didn't elaborate whether the logjam was in the local barracks, in Trenton, or both. If we all knew when every applicant who submitted to a NSJP barrracks got their permits back, then we would know where the logjam(s) was (were) and where to focus attention. If indeed that would do any good. It will not serve any constructive purpose to call and exhort my local troopers to action if in fact Trenton is getting NNN (pick a number) applications a day from all over the state and simply can't keep up. I think we all know they're not going to staff up to meet the 30 day statute requirement. If there's not that many forum members who use local barracks, then I simply won't get enough data to draw a reliable conclusion. Those members struggling with their own local PD issues will not find any comfort in this thread. I'm sure all of us have been frustrated about this at one time or another.

Chris & Sandy: did you apply through a NJSP barracks, or a local PD? It is my clear understanding that local PDs do their own background checks, although they may request information from Trenton. For the purposes of my question, I am only interested in wait times from members who apply for and receive permits from NJSP barracks. Their process should all be the same.

On Wednesday it will be 14 weeks since we submitted P2P applications at the NJSP Sussex Station (Augusta). Tomorrow it will be 4 weeks since our permit checks cleared the banks. I am in touch with one other forum member who applied on the same date and he has not heard anything either. Are there any other members who apply through other NJSP barracks experiencing the same delay, or not? I know about the Compliancy thread, and I'll post my timeline when complete. But right now I'd like to determine if the holdup is at our local barracks, or the Firearms Unit in Trenton.

Danke. I shall consider that.

On the SP-015, does anyone have an example of what was accepted as a valid "Reason for exemption request" for someone who is just acquiring multiple handguns for their personal collection? In other words, the handguns are not rare firearms, or there's no real time constraint on their purchase. It would just be someone enhancing their collection and not wanting to wait say 3 months to acquire 3 handguns that have already been purchased and are being held at their FFL. For example: "The handguns were all special ordered and have been acquired by and are waiting at the FFL." I'd like a feel for what the State Police judge sufficient to grant this exemption.

My compliments Pizza Bob. An excellent essay chock full of facts. Clearly you'll never be a newspaper reporter. I wonder what would happen if citizens casually observing the firehouse today, and upon seeing any obvious illegal gun activity, called the local police and requested arrests of those involved, citing the pertinent statues?

No, it doesn't. "So you've got to ask yourself a question: do you feel lucky today?" In NJ, my question really is: "Do you feel infringed upon?" I guess to many the answer is self-evident.

Vlad: The SP Firearms Unit in Trenton is the State Police. That's who my FFL checked with. They said new PPP required. TheDon: I would hope so too. Expect I don't have a local PD and have to go through the local SP barracks to Trenton. Trenton just took four weeks to renew two existing PPPs. One of those will be used to get the M&P back. I will however inquire of the local sargeant when I apply for the next round of PPPs. It's clear now an extra valid PPP is never a bad thing to have on hand. Regarding the 30 day rule, NJ 2C:58-3.i(5) provides an exemption: "any transaction where the person has purchased a handgun from a licensed retail dealer and has returned that handgun to the dealer in exchange for another handgun within 30 days of the original transaction, provided the retail dealer reports the exchange transaction to the superintendent" I was outside the 30 day window, so this didn't apply to me. But notice: this paragraph is only an exemption from the 30 day rule. It doesn't say you don't need a PPP for the new one.

The transport is irrelevant. I, and others I know, have returned handguns for repair through UPS or Fedex and received them back directly. All perfectly legal, at least for me. Why? Because none of my (past) serial numbers were changed!

Submitted two PPPs through the local barracks to Trenton for renewal on 2/21. New (renewed) permits dated 3/5. Permits actually arrived and delivered 3/19.

Four weeks ago our brand new S&W M&P45 FS went back to S&W because the takedown lever would not stay put, and for general frame-slide misalignment. (The takedown lever issue is widely discussed on the S&W M&P Pistol forum.) Because my FFL is conscientious, he sent the pistol back to S&W for me at no charge. S&W returned the pistol to our FFL today with a letter stating they fixed the pistol by exchanging the frame. Voila: new serial number for us, old serial number destroyed. We had no advance notice this was being done. Our FFL, after consulting with the SP Firearms unit in Trenton, determined that we need another PPP to (again!) transfer our repaired pistol, which is now considered new. And yes the 30 day rule still applies. If I had not had our FFL send the pistol back, and done it myself, I would not have known this. I would have assumed the letter from S&W to be sufficient. Or at the most I would have advised Trenton my serial number had been changed. Silly me. So be advised. If YOU send your gun back to a manufacturer for repair, and they change the frame out (i.e. change serial number) and send it directly back to YOU, you MUST IMMEDIATELY take it to your FFL and have them transfer it to you with the appropriate paperwork. Otherwise, upon discovery, you will be liable for an illegal handgun possession felony. I just thought you might like to know.

PDM: I believe they're referring to the announcement letter by Asbury Park that they will no longer use/require their local multi-page questionaire when applying for PPPs. Sections of the form were quoted, and they were indescribable in terms of privacy invasion. One example: "List every firearm you own, along with serial number, purchase date, caliber, type...." etc. I'm sure NJ2AS will post more detail on their site.

Best? The correct answer is much simpler: date + 30 days. If you're unsure about date arithmetic: http://www.nr.com/julian.html The answer to this question is 1/31/2012, and is not ambiguous or dependent on days-in-month etc. In any contiguous 30 day period there can only be ONE day you buy a handgun. Of course in order to buy a handgun on your first eligible day your FFL AND NICS must both be open!

It is NJ legal with the 10 round magazine. I bought this FNAR version three weeks ago, but have not taken it to the range yet. CTD is probably flagging it as 'no ship' because it must go through an FFL, not direct to you. The 10 round mag is FN part# 3108929200, not CTD item number. It is an FNAR .308 mag, and only FNAR.

My first love, with Rodgers Combat grips.

A .357 factory tuned 6" Colt Python was (and still is) my first handgun. It has the smoothest trigger I have ever felt on any revolver or pistol, single or double action. Circa 1978. As far as I can tell they don't make them like this any more.

2C:58-3 Purchase of firearms. i. Restriction on number of firearms person may purchase. Only one handgun shall be purchased or delivered on each permit and no more than one handgun shall be purchased within any 30-day period, but this limitation shall not apply to: This is the pertinent citation in the law (my underline). I recently went over this with my FFL to make sure I'm right. This section means that within any contiguous 30-day period there can only be one day when a handgun was purchased. Here's my example. I buy a pistol on 12/14/2011. 12/15/2011 is day 1; the lower boundary of a 30-day period and the first day when I don't purchase a pistol. 1/13/2012 is the 30th day I have not purchased a handgun, and the upper boundary in the 30 day period. During that 30 day period (inclusive), if I haven't made a handgun purchase I am entitled to one. So on 1/13/2012 I can buy my next pistol. I can't buy one on 1/12/2012 because 12/14/2011 is within the 30-day boundaries. To put it another way, any day you purchase a handgun must be a member of a contiguous 30-day (inclusive) period that does NOT contain another day when you purchased a handgun. And obviously, we can only look backward. A Burkhart calendar, used a lot by banks, clearly shows the count of days following any particular date. You can also make the same calculation here: http://www.nr.com/julian.html Happy Waiting.

Applied for change of address on the FID and pistol permits at the NJSP Augusta barracks (Sussex Co.) on October 5. Advised today (December 14) that all were ready. Ten weeks to the day. The original estimate by the responsible officer was 9 to 10 weeks. Picked them up today and after inspection saw they were dated December 5. So it was more than the supposed required 30 days, but the original estimate was accurate.

The troopers at Hope told me I had to go to Augusta, since that is the barracks responsible for my town. So effectively they are my police department, and I presume would be most familiar with me if I was a troublemaker. Or not.

I also live in Sussex County. I did some research, and the only NJSP barracks I could find that required an appointment was Augusta. For example, at Hope you just walk in and whoever is on the desk witnesses the necessary signatures. But I can't go to the Hope barracks because they don't cover my town. I applied for a change in FID and several permits on October 5. Still waiting.