RedBowTies88

True, thats probably what i'll have to do but it is less then ideal becuase i'll have to undo that and be stuck with a hole in the stock and then drill again to redo it unless I do it the way you did yours

exactly, and I don't know if any dealers will be willing to pin it in the manner that you spoke of where i could semi-easily change it when i get home

I'm not worried about the fuzz getting me while im making adjustments.. I'm worried about getting the parts into my posession since the lower comes assembeled. Maybe I can have the FFL remove the grip and sell it to a friend of mine or something for $1 then he can hold it until i decide where to pin the stock....

Assembeling one doesn't scare me at all. In fact I would like to do it just to get the experince...however for $100 for the COMPLETE lower including the stock and grip can't be beat as far as I can tell. It would cost reasonably more to piece it together or so it seems.

But if I go that route, I'll either have to have the FFL pin it in that manner or keep the pistol grip... That would work well though if the lower I wanted didn't already include the stock and I was just ordering one online.

Well here's my dilemma, I would like to at some point buy the New Frontier complete lower, then when more funds become available and I finally decide on which upper to mate it with then decide which position to have the stock pinned. How will I know where to have the stock pinned with just the lower? Having never owned an AR before... will a lower by itself take a magazine without an upper? If not that could be a legal loophole...

So, I'm 99% sure I couldn't take posession of a complete lower with a pistol grip and collapseable already on it. But if I had the FFL it came into remove either the stock or PG or both could I then take posession of it and the parts or would I have to either have to leave one part with the FFL or have the stock pinned before i could take it home (detached and seperated from the lower?)

yea works for me now too,... when i first oopened the thread it was just code? anyway, BP is considered a firearm in the great state of NJ. So it would need a minimum of an FFL if legal...wouldn't be suprised if it needed a PPP as well.

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In the rare occasion the jury being non gun enthuiests will probably work to our advantage. If you want down the street and show a random person a mak90 and ask them if this is pistol grip I doubt they will say yes. It's far from well defined or conspicuous in my opinion and I believe the general pulblic would share in that point of view.

Browse the used racks, you'd be suprised at what you can get in your price range. If I may make a suggstion.. Pistol: CZ-82. With shipping and transfer should be right around $270 OTD Rifle: Mosin Nagant + a can of milsurp ammo. Rimfire: Marlin 60. Pa walmarts have them for around $160

I'm an anti-sticker convert... When I first got into racing I was all about having a sticker for ever single go fast part or brand in my car on my car. Luckily after a year or so of that I realized how stupid that was and promptly hair dryered them all off. I would especially never put firearms stickers on my car, thats just asking for someone to break in to see what they could steal. Not to mention if a cop wanted to be a jerk and had a thing against guns (or "them" owning guns) he could hassle you for something.

Thats hilarious But does it "protrude conspicuously"? and is it "well defined"? I think not.

I still don't buy that a thumbhole stock is a pistol grip per the statute (Flame suit on) regularless of the BS the NJSP feeds everyone.

i went to mikes and he wouldn't even show me what he had in stock (all handguns in a safe beind the counter)without a PPP in hand

I love chatting with Vinnie I thought they've had a 59 in the case for a while but i thought it was blued? unless they got another one.

I don't understand that bit, if it doesn't go beyone the barrel how is it more of a risk of getting snagged? I saw that not using the full legnth of your barrel for the mag tube is silly...its just wasted potential. I could unload 10 rounds from my pump in less then 10 seconds... there could easily be 4 or more invaders at once so i think at least giving me 2 shots per baddie is in order. I'm a decent shot but who knows what will happen under pressure? I sure as hell am not going to fumble with loading more shells in the mag if i run out....ill just be stuck with a sidearm

Looking good, I'de bet a warsaw legnth ak stock would work well for you also if you ever need another SA rifle.

They work best in winchester 1200/1300's as i understand. At leats thats what midway says. Mine is a 1200 and its been flawless with them so thats the only feedback i can give.

22 by my math, but better start with one box to see if they function. They don't work in more shotguns then they do. they have to have a closed shell elevator and a decent ejector. Also recoil is almost non existant. definitely less then a 2-3/4 target load

26" barrel. mag tube does not extend beyond the barrel. I use these in my HD shotgun. its 10+1 with 2-3/4 http://www.midwayusa.com/product/738518/aguila-minishell-ammunition-12-gauge-1-3-4-7-8-oz-rifled-slug-box-of-20 At the current time in my 5+1 factory tube I can fit 7. They function perfectly. and 400+ grains @ 1250 is something to be reckoned with.

I like the collapsable stock on shoguns, that way i can shorten it all the way up for super short LOP and quick pointing for HD use and then fold it out the clay range or hunting. a good friend has one on his 500 I also really like the mag extensions. I'll be honest and say that at the current time my HD shotgun is stock but in the near future it will have a collapsable stock and pistol grip, as well as a 14+1 magazine with my chosen HD rounds. More capicity sure isn't going to hurt. as long as the tube isn't longer then the barrel I don't see why not to get what you can. I do agree that all the rails and forend stuff is stupid. If you need anything more then the bead sight on an HD shotgun then there's an issue lol

I got a wreckless ticket for chirpring tires at a whopping 20mph just becuase i was in a corvette and he had a bug up his a**. I also was pulled over for "accelerating too quickly" for going 0-25 too quickly for one cop without even spinning tires or anything like that. Really it was a "hey your exhaust is loud and it sure seemed like you were speeding" kinda deal, luckily a couple LEO friends were in the truck with me so i got off. If i'm doing something dangerious by all means I will not be mad if i get popped. but the definition of dangerious is rerdiculious. Powerbraking for 1/2 a second in the mcdonalds parking lot and getting a careless is insane. Luckily most LEO's have a brian in their head and don't have a bug up their a**. But there's always a few.

The real question is this, Is there a speed at while the police will refuse/ are not allowed to give chase past... and if so what is that speed?

I like the way you think!