High Exposure

I don't get it...

This. When you try to predict a bad guys actions based on the experiences, morals, ethics, and decision making process of a well adjusted, honest, and overall decent human being (yourself) you are setting yourself up for failure.

Nothing you can hold in your own two hands is so badass that it guarantees a one shot stop all the time. Shot placement is key and regardless of the platform (pistol caliber, 12g, .223/5.56, .308/7.62) hitting someone in the belly - instead of somewhere more critical - is less than optimal. While a shot to the gut is no morale booster, it is not likely to give you the exact results you are wanting at the time you pressed the trigger. Physiologically - Barring a direct CNS hit that shuts off the porch lights, winning a gunfight is a simple hydraulics problem. You need to de-pressurize the system - let air in, let blood out - so the blood pressure drops. (Careful though, when horizontal and the weight of the body applying pressure to the wounds, blood pressure can return to a level that allows the threat to continue the fight from the ground. That is why a post engagement sequence including an assessment phase is so important to train for.) In my experience responding to and investigating shootings and training with those that have been involved in shootings, more holes faster is better than big holes slower. Where those holes are though is the biggest factor. All of the largest blood vessels and the heart and lungs are in the upper chest area. This make this part of the body the primary target area for rapid incapacitation of a threat. Psychologically/metabolically - The bad guy gets a vote. The human body is an amazing peice of machinery and the old saying "mind over matter" is especially true when dealing with an imbalanced or chemically "enhanced" adversary. There are countless instances where a bad guy has been hit with multiple rounds that a Dr. or M.E. has ruled should have been "instantly incapacitating or fatal" yet the aggressor continues to fight for quite some time before succumbing to their wounds and ending the fight. Sometimes they even make a full recovery after medical intervention. Around 3 months ago in New Brunswick, a guy was shot 3 times with a handgun (I am unsure of the caliber) in the upper chest area (it was a-hole on a-hole violence). All three rounds passed through the bad guy and by Dr. reports, any of the three should have been fatal. He lived. The girl standing behind him got hit in the shoulder/arm with all three rounds after they passed through the intended targets body. She passed away. The upper chest area, think of a triangle with the three points being the two nipples and the base of the throat, is the primary target area for rapid incapacitation. If you don't have that target area and you can positively ID your threat, aim for the center of mass of the largest part of the body you can see whether it is a foot, a forearm, hip, hand or belly. A hit to a peripheral body part, while it may not end the fight, is better than no hits at all. At hit from 00B at 15 yards will most likely not open up someone's belly as you are describing. Depending on the load used, it will most likely look like you shot them 8-9 times with a .38/9mm. If hunters use 3" magnum loads on deer regularly and it doesn't shred them like that the low-recoil "tactical" rounds sold for HD won't do it either with a straight on shot.

Before spending any money on "accurizing" accessories, get some ammo and spend some time at the range tightening the loose nut behind the trigger. You may be surprised what a stock AR is capable of.

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Hot water with Dawn dish soap works great.

I will give you $100 for it

Assuming we are talking about standard ammo types (shot and slugs): A human in body armor A human at 300 yards A human in a car (if you are shooting from outside the car) The two bank robbers that were involved in the north Hollywood shoot out. I have seen more than a few people shot with a 12 gauge, Most of them lived including a self inflicted GSW to the head and a center mass hit with 00B.

Serioiusly!! What a tease

Quoted for awesomeness and truth.

Thanks for the info. I asked about being one of Pat's students as your rifle is setup identical to all of my fighting rifles with regards to placement of gear and the specific parts you chose. I typically only see EAG students with that configuration. I went through quite the "evolution" with my rifle to get it where I have it now and most of the changes were after "Lightbulb" moments occurred during my attendance in one or another of Pat's classes.

Nope. Jut throwing it up there as incentive. BLF is right, they are out there... Wow!!! When I posted it, it was in stock and unsold

And Happy Flag Day!

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Well Done Indeed! Beautiful rifle with quality gear in a proven setup. Outstanding! Can I ask where did you get the BCM lower? Was it stripped or did your FFL make it compliant for you? Are you one of Uncle Pat's students?

Ugh.... I have to work Fri and Sat overnights.... Booooooooo Looks like fun

They don't that I know of. But you could trick out an 1894c to be identical to the 1895G Guide Gun in .45-70 pictured.

Yes where? I will go there tomorrow!

Eye of the beholder and all that I just can't track down the base guns that I want - an 1894C and either an 1895 GBL or 336BL for a reasonable price.

I want to build 2 of these, one in .45-70 and one in .357/.38:

Like Vlad said, better than a pointy stick

I would agree that 12g is way up there... but ammo is just too bulky IMO to even consider... also range and accuracy is too lacking for me when compared to a carbine... You misunderstood. I am not saying 12g is a better choice for one of your 2 SHTF picks (if you go back you will see that your picks mirror mine) I am saying that 12g is probably the must commonly used ammo out there and therefore is the most abundant and most likley to encounter "caliber" of ammunition across the US. A corallary to that is you won't need to bring a 12g shotgun as there will probably be many of them around as well as the dust settles.

I think 12g (in all of its different loadings) may just trump all the calibers as far as prevalence across the country.

Yeah, thats my guess too. At least that's what it says on the floor mat.