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I use my thumb to release the slide stop when letting the slide go home on a reload. I use an overhead grip when reducing a malfunction. How is using your thumb to manipulate a slide release any different then disengaging a safety on a 1911, cocking a hammer on a revolver, or manipulating a selector on an AR? Ask yourself this: Is properly pressing a trigger (isolating the trigger finger from the rest of the hand and controlling it straight to the rear) a fine or gross motor skill? Is trigger reset a fine or gross motor skill? Is hitting a mag release a fine or a gross motor skill? Is aligning and inserting a square peg into a square hole (inserting a mag on a semi auto) or many round pegs into many round holes (moon clips/speed loader/individual shells in a revolver) a fine or gross motor skill? Is disengaging a holsters retention with your thumb (sush as on a Safariland ALS or SLS holster) during the draw stroke a fine or gross motor skill? Ask a fighter pilot or helicopter pilot if they need to use fine motor skills under stress to keep their aircraft from turning into lawn darts. All of these operations are conducted regularly in combat and while under stress. How can this be? All of these operations are fine motor skills. There is trained/skilled movement (what most refer to incorrectly as "muscle" memory. It is actually procedural memory) and there is untrained/unskilled movements. When I was shot at, I was unable to return fire due to a cluttered backstop in a residential neighborhood. I was scared but I did however accomplish the following fine motor skills: ~ Turning a flashlight on and off ~ Transmit on a portable radio ~ Load and charge an AR ~ Manipulate the safety on an AR You will do what you have been properly trained to do or what you have properly trained yourself to do barring significant injury or incapacitating fear. Note: Fear is not cowardice. Under stress, you will not "rise to the occasion". You will default to the lowest level that you have been trained to.

Nope. Going on Sat morning.

LaRue use to sell them in their FTS mounts. They called them "Po' Boy" magnifiers. They used a Hensoldt magnified optic from a recoil less anti tank rifle or something similar. ETA: it was from a Panzerfaust 3

For what it's worth, I am not a revolver guy. I shot alec.mc's S&W 327 5" at a steel comp in Old Bridge about a month ago. That is now the only handgun I ever think about owning. It is at the top of the list!

I don't know what kind of cut that is, and i am not a 1911 guru or anything, but that setup does not look right. Good call on getting them changed, looks like a problem waiting to happen if that's a carry gun.

Duplicate topic. Although you have a different link, it has the same info. http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/56270-new-evidence-released-by-zimmermans-atourneys/?hl=martin

Carl, you will most definitely not be blinded by any muzzle flash. I do a lot of shooting in the dark, both with and without night vision and I have never been blinded, even for an instant. Additionally, your body does some amazing stuff when under extreme stress to protect itsself. One of those things is called auditory exclusion, where you don't even recognize loud noises as gunshots and have no after effects or ringing post incident. Most people (I know I did) experience this when involved in a critical incident. If it is still a concern, invest in some electronic/active hearing pro that will protect your hearing but still enable you to hear what is going on. Some are even so good that they will actually enhance your hearing a bit. Now, Combat Auto, let's chat... Brother, you are barking up the wrong tree here. 1) Yes anyone can use whatever they want for HD. If you want to use a whiffle ball bat or harsh language that is your choice as only you and yours will be affected by your decisions. However, there are tools that are more effective than others, for example, a pistol is better than a bat, a long gun is better than a pistol. This is indisputable. 2) If you bothered to read what I actually wrote, you would see that I also use a 5.56 platform for my chosen HD weapon. Regardless of body armor, it will work. It will also be more effective as far as terminal ballistics and the end result on the bad guy, as well as pose less of a danger of over-penetration through typical household construction materials. I have tested this last part personally using a 12g with 18" barrel shooting slugs and 00B, a 16" AR with .223 64gr Soft Nose (Fed TRU) an MP5 with 9mm hollow points and ball and pistols in .40 and .45 with hollow nose and ball ammo. The 5.56 soft nose had the least over penetrating issues (note not zero just least) with the 12g foster type slug and MP5 with ball ammo having the most. 3) Oh, you watched a Magpul DVD. Why didn't you say so? CA, Watching a DVD does not a subject matter expert make. Your caveat of "house layout" and "tactical approach" doesn't matter. There are ways to clear small rooms and confined spaces such as closets, crawlspaces and half baths with a long gun that are very effective. Why clear a whole house with a pistol because you have one or two small rooms that may be difficult to check with a long gun? 4) Heads up - Sacred cow about to be slain! Sorry CA. The .45 ACP is not a proven stopper. Nothing that you can hold in your two hands will absolutely drop somebody where you want them dropped. Using a shotgun or rifle caliber definitely increases your chances, but still does not assure immediate incapacitation. Accurate, fast, multiple shot placement (with an appropriate "fighting" caliber) to a critical area of the body is the only proven stopper. That's it. And when using pistol rounds, even that is not guaranteed. I have seen after action reports and talked to Officers that have had .45 and 9mm bouncing off of skulls, 17 rounds of .45 ACP, with numerous good center mass and face hits, and the perp lived. I have seen 00B to the midsection where the guy still fought for quite a bit before going unconscious and being brought to the ER (he lived), 11 rounds of 5.56 after a pursuit and the perp lived, and a suicide attempt where 00B to the head didn't kill the kid. Trust your tactics and marksmanship to end a fight, not your caliber (Assuming you are using aservice caliber) 5) You are right, sticking your gun out into space that you can not visually clear is a recipe for disaster. There are techniques that minimize this problem, and none of them require you to shoot from the hip, shoot one handed, or choose a "pistol and knife super death-blossom combo" over a long gun for an entire operation. They do require a little attention to detail, some practice in weapon retention techniques (for example: You may need to bring a pistol to the "speed rock" position for a split second as you move through a fatal funnel, or take a knee to automatically make a bad guy holding your muzzle aim said muzzle at his own belly for you), or as Vlad said, put a sling on your long gun. 6) I initially didn't bring up CAG/SWAT/SEAL 6 as a tactics issue, I brought it up as a gear one. Again, if 00B and .45ACP are such death dealers, why aren't all the special units out there that are tasked with Direct Action/CQB/FISHing carrying nothing but shotguns and 1911s? Why has the shotgun been mostly relegated to a less lethal and breaching platform in modern urban/CQC/CQB operations? Maybe because we have learned a thing or two about physiology, terminal ballistics, gunfighting, and tactics over the last few years of conflicts and war and realized that there are better tools for the job of Fighting In Someone's House. But since you brought it up... How does my analogy of SWAT/CAG/SEALs not apply to HD when that type of fighting is squarely in their wheelhouse. They are quite literally the "Pros from Dover" when speaking about the kinds of TTPs you will need for HD, but, "Trench Warfare" from 100 years ago makes the cut in your mind for relevancy? Let me clue you in on another fact: HD is tactical. The same Tactics Techniques and Procedures (TTPs) used by a SWAT team/CAG/SEAL 6, etc... moving through a building are the same TTPs that will let you come out on top in the event of a home invasion or HD scenario. These TTPs are proven time and time again and they work. If they didn't they would be replaced. Yes, there are some different tactics when conducting CQB/CQC with a team vs. alone or in pairs. But, most of the stuff done by an individual member of that team when clearing a structure translates directly to what needs to get done in an 'all by yourself' HD situation. None of the relevant TTPs involve bringing inferior weapons or less capable platforms to the fight. Ever. Bottom line here - The basics of shooting a bad guy before he shoots you are the same regardless if you are wearing camouflage, navy blue and black, or your pajamas - Get the most effective weapon system you have in your hands and use it in the most efficient manner possible. Period. If you knew anything at all about actually fighting with a firearm or the basics of tactical movement from real world training under the eye of a reputable instructor, you would know this. Also, referencing your "stick your eye in a scope" comment, Vlad covered it already but I want to reiterate. That is not how a RDS is used. Both eyes remain open and situational awareness is maintained. In fact, using an RDS is less intrusive into your vision and more intuitive than iron sights and is much faster without reducing your field of vision - one - single - degree. Barring some kind of eye issues, this is true for anyone using an RDS. As Vlad also said, Your statement shows how little you actually know about what you are talking about. As far as my background and experience, I am a municipal Police Officer that is in charge of all firearms and tactical training for my agency as well as a team leader on a regional SWAT team where I am also the head firearms trainer. I have a fairly solid grasp of CQB/CQC. I attend and conduct high level training regularly, often with members of special units in the Military, Law Enforcement, and Fed Gov't. I have performed real world hostage rescue, active shooter response, CQB/CQC and I have been shot at but never hit. You completely missed the points I was making in my earlier comments (including my sense of humor). Alowerlevel, Sgt Toadette and Vlad picked them up just fine though. It has nothing to do with a "cookie cutter" approach to tactics or gear. I choose an AR for HD, like a lot of other members here, because it works better than anything else in that role. Coincidentally, that happens to be why SWAT teams and DA military units do as well. I don't choose an AR because SWAT teams or SEALs do, but I choose one for the same reasons they do: Superior terminal ballistics Less over penetration through construction materials Reliable Accurate Low recoil High rate of accurate fire Ergonomic High round capacity Fast to reload Simple manual of Arms Two hands on the gun isn't "Basic" it is standard for modern pistol techniques, and for reason - it works. Two hands on the gun means faster and more accurate fire - always. Are there times when you will have only one hand on the weapon, be it pistol or long gun? Sure - opening a door, carrying a child, using the phone, hitting a light switch, etc... But your whole fighting system shouldn't be based on it. I have trained myself (I am actually not bad either )and dozens of others to shoot with only one hand, both weak and strong side on pistols, shotguns, and rifles. This includes malfunction reduction and reloads on all three platforms. I have also trained them in the "Why" and "When" (Two critical pieces of information that you seem to be lacking here) of shooting with one hand in addition to the "How". However, I - like most people - am much better (faster and more accurate) with 2 hands on the gun than I am shooting one handed. I would put money on it that you are too. So Why oh WHY, on Gods Green Earth, would you intentionally handicap yourself by taking your most effective weapon, a firearm, and using it in a manner that you know is less capable in order to bring a knife to a gunfight regardless of the distances you are expecting to engage in? It doesn't make sense. You are setting yourself up for failure, Advocating the use of a pistol in one hand and a machete in the other for HD? Seriously? And I am the dangerous one? The HD/SWAT analogy I covered earlier and it stands here too. Oh, and it's not arrogance. It is calling the bull$hit that you posted bull$shit. I have considerably more than "some basic firearms training" and the grounds for recognizing said bull$hit is based on experience, training, education, the mentorship of some really smart dudes, and real world application. The rest of this post is already covered, but I wanted to address this last bit that is quoted above. What happened was you said: And then went on to justify that statement by rationalizing it by comparing modern HD tactics against Doughboys in WWI fights in trenches! Then followed that with: I never said a shotgun and a .45 were not viable options. I also never stated that an AR was the best choice because a SWAT team uses it. If a shotgun or a pistol are all you have, you could be worse off. They will work better than a sharp stick and a black heart. I just said if you have a choice, they aren't the best tools for the job if. I also stated that your rationale for your choice was out of touch with reality and that the idea of "1 shot-stoppers" was a dangerous mindset to have while training/preparing for a gunfight. I explained why I thought so on each count and I stand by those statements. Then you said this: and this: and I threw the Bull$hit flag. Combat Auto, It isn't personal. Think of me as the guy who says you have something nasty in your teeth at a party in front of some friends. Sure, it may rude of me to say it, and you may get pissed that I pointed out a fault, but at least now you know. And that means that you can get the spinach off your teeth so no one else laughs at you when you walk away. This is a very active forum, with a good reputation that is well moderated and generally has a low noise to signal ratio. People come here to learn. They make decisions on life saving equipment and tactics based on advice people give them. As a poster/member here you have a responsibility to shut up when you don't know what you are talking about or give good solid advice that is grounded in common sense, proper law, personal experience, technical know-how, and good tactics that won't get someone killed or thrown in jail. Anyway, like, Sgt Toadette stated. This may all actually be a moot point. If you don't have to clear your house, don't. Excellent advice! I have a little one, his room is down the hall from mine. Something goes bump in the night, I am moving to his location to secure him while the wife calls 911. I am not clearing the whole house. If the wife or kid are someplace other than the bedrooms when something happens, then the house gets cleared until I find them and make them safe. While I am prepared to do it, I will not go hunting bad guys in my house if I can account for all of my loved ones at my location.

The problem I see with momentary light switches is what do you do after you find someone that isn't a shoot situation or assess after a post shoot? How do you use your phone, remove a threat's weapon, check vitals, open or close a door, carry a child, hold back your dog, or do anything with your support hand and still keep your light on so you can maintain situational awareness on your threat? A clicky gives you momentary light and the ability to make it constant on when necessary. As far as manipulating the light on and off while searching, my SOP is one the light is on it stays on. My element of surprise is blown, so now I need to rely on speed and violence of action. I would rather have every opportunity to see them first. This is not a absolute, but a "more often than not". The situation and the environment will dictate. With regards to being a target with the light on, what are you if the HD situation happens in the day time or the house lights are on?

I prefer the lower 1/3 co-witness with the T1/H1 (LaRue LT660 mount) or the lightweight Daniel Defense T1 mount. I use the absolute cowitness with the PRO because that's is what the mount that comes with it is. I don't know if they make a FTS 3X mount to fit behind an absolute Cowitness... I will take a photo of my Colt Commando with PRO when I get in to work tomorrow night. The only PRO I have at home is on a low mount on my shotgun.

Wow. I don't even know where to start... Let's first talk about "1 shot stops". They are a myth. There is nothing that you can hold in two hands that will drop a determined attacker with 1 shot, guaranteed, all the time. Take that idea out of your head and forget it. Count on multiple rounds from whatever weapon platform you are using being necessary to end a deadly force encounter. What if your one shot misses? What of it hits, but doesn't hit anything important? What if it does hit something important but your attacker decides that he just doesn't care? What if you have Wyatt F'ng Earp on the other end of your gun and he just won't stop fighting? If 1 shot does it, great - Thank your lucky stars and drive on. But always be prepared for more. Now, If someone ever purposefully chooses to use a pistol caliber platform (even the deadly man-stopping .45ACP ) over a shotgun or rifle caliber for HD they are wrong. Period. (Yes, pistol caliber carbines are included on the "they are wrong" side. True, they are better than a pistol, but they are inferior to a platform firing a rifle cartridge or shotgun in every way). Yes, there are times when you are limited to a pistol - CCW/OC, or maybe that is all you currently own, or a pistol just happens to be in your hands when the balloon goes up - I get that. If that's the case you will just have to dance with who ya brung and hope for the best. We can't all walk around with an M4 slung to our chests all the time. But, if it is a conscious choice to grab a pistol and leave the long gun you are messing up. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that a 1911 is a bad gun. That platform has absolutely put a lot of people underground. I am saying that all pistols are notoriously bad fight stoppers and are famous for over penetrating walls in structures. There are much better tools out there to choose for this job. I know, I know, you said grab both, the shotgun AND the .45. OK... So, how does one carry and operate a pump shotgun, a long arm requiring 2 hands to aim and operate, and a .45 and remain able to fight? Do you not see a problem here? Are you wearing a holster 24/7 so you can throw the pistol in there when you are woken up in the middle of the night? Or are you tucking a condition 1 1911 .45 in the waistband of your PJs? Now, let's talk about how you arrived at your choice of the "best CQB tools ever devised" You are basing your decision on what are the "BEST" tools for HD on what Soldiers used in a war 100 years ago? Because no weapon platform has been designed since the Somme or the Kaiserschlacht better than a 1911 and a trench gun Let's just forget for a second that "Trench Warfare", while it is technically CQC, has about Jack and $hit to do with modern CQB/FISHing. Yes, an American Soldier in WWI would choose a .38 revolver or .45 pistol or pump shotgun because their other choice was, wait for it.... 1903 Springfield - a 5 shot bolt action rifle that was 44" long without the bayonet. If a Doughboy had access to an M4 in 1918, I wonder what they would have chosen? Lastly, what experience/training/etc is your humble opinion based on? What data leads you to believe that a 00 and .45 "are the fastest way to put the bad guy down"? If that's the case, why aren't all the high speed units out there (CAG, SEALs 6, SWAT, HRT) who have CQB/FISHing as their primary mission carrying nothing but shotguns and .45s? A pistol in one hand and a knife in the other? Where are you getting this idea from? I don't know about you, but I shoot faster and more accurately with two hands on my pistol all day long. Why would I want to take away that advantage? I am sorry. This will be harsh. But you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The above statement is the dumbest thing I have ever read regarding HD/CQB on the internets. At no point in your rambling do you even approach a cogent and valid argument. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. I say this because I hope no one reading this thread ever thinks this is a good idea. Including you. In all fairness, I could see one or two hits of 5.56x45, especially peripheral hits, not doing the job. But that goes for any cartridge from Slugs on down. What the 5.56 platform allows you to do is follow up quickly and accurately. Having said that, I rely on an AR, with appropriate CQC/CQB TTPs for HD. A Sling? C'mon Vlad, you are using common sense now. Unacceptable! You are forgetting about the BFK in his support hand. All the operators in COD: Modern Warfare 2 do it. It must be Legit! Or they never would have put it in the game.

No worries. As always, what you want to do with the rifle (your mission) will dictate what gear you need.. Yes, while it is more expensive to buy a RDS and a Magnifier, you will find it is a more capable solution for most uses. I had an Aimpoint 3x in a LaRue FTS mount that I would occasionally mount behind a T1. I ended up trading it (for a Trijicon RMR02 for one of my Glock 35s) as that T1/3x combo just did not work for me. I was faster and more accurate at the ranges I was required to qualify on (0-100yards) with a T1 alone that with a T1 and magnifier. An AR with T1 is my go to for HD as well. In my experience, if you are set on getting the magnifier, I suggest the PRO or the M4. Being that the tubes are closer to the same diameter they will "line up" better keeping the dot centered. You will have less streaking/smearing of the dot I do have a 4x ACOG (TA01NSN). I like It, but It is a range gun/fun gun only. I have never grabbed it for work and it lives in my safe.

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"End of Watch" is a Cop movie about LAPD, and a pretty awesome one at that. You are thinking of "Nightwatch" and "Daywatch" which are also pretty good.

PRO. If you can afford the extra $150, then get the H1. It will do evening you need out to 300yards.

[sarcasm] But, but, but... the AK platform is so much better!!![/sarcasm]

I find it intriguing that so many of the "improvements" are mirroring the M-16/M4 FOW - from ergonomics, to rails, to caliber. http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htweap/articles/20130521.aspx

I used to be issued a 4013TSW. They had S&W proprietary rails installed on them. It was a unique mounting plate though with strange dimensions. You needed a specific light to mount to it, Insight M5 of I remember correctly. We had a few guns that came from the factory that way. Others were sent back to Smith & Wesson to have the rails installed. The juice may not be worth the squeeze here.

Me too. There was one for sale on here about 6 months ago. I am still kicking myself for not jumping on it....

[geek] It's a Grond gun![/geek] That was started by Mark Krebs in the 90's (around 1997 maybe) as a side project to try and dress up a slide that was not spec/deformed on a custom build. I don't think it was ever finished. Don't even know how he would get a barrel bushing in there.

Understood Checker50! And, apologies to the OP for the thread drift as well. I just can't help myself when I hear "Botach" tossed out there as a reputable dealer.

The people at Botach Tactical are thieves. They flat out steal product designs from small companies with good products. I personally know of someone that designed a unique sling plate for the AR platform. It was effective, cheap, & simple. Botach requested a sample in anticipation of offering the product for sale on their website. They received their sample, copied it exactly, and now sell it under their KZ line. When confronted, they replied "So? Sue us." Knowing full well that it was a small shop without the resources for a prolonged court battle. They can go eatadik. I refuse to use them at all, regardless of how good their prices seem.

"To Protect and Serve" was the winning entry in a contest to select a new motto for the LAPD in 1955 by Officer Joseph S. Dorobek. My understanding is that it is referencing the Oath taken to Protect and Serve the Constitution and Laws of the Nation and State. These laws basically states that the Police are not your servants and do not have to sacrifice their lives to save yours. That does not mean that we won't run towards the sound of gunfire, dive into bodies of water, climb out on bridges, pull you from a burning car, investigate bombs, rescue a hostage etc... Most of us will, and we do it gladly. We regularly put the safety of the public and the needs of citizen's and their families ahead of our own. We don't need a catchy slogan on the side of our cars to remind us of what we have dedicated ourselves to do. ^^ This. It is a slogan, not a legally binding contract or job description.