deadeye74

I do believe you are correct. Face to face out of state need an FFL transfer. Buying at an FFL is ok as long as the sellers state permits.

As long as it's NJ legal, you can buy long guns anywhere.

I didn't see if they mentioned if this was some kind of benefit. If so many people want to do it, they should let the runners get sponsors with proceeds going to a good cause.

Wasn't I just ranting about this in your shop Friday?

http://njstateatlas.com/topo/ Link to NJ topo maps. I have used the Cabellas app on my iPhone which uses the GPS and topo map. In my part of south Jersey i manage to keep cell service/3G in many parts of the woods so downloading the maps are easy.

I'm aware of that. You can own homes in all 50 states and rent them out. I'm talking about physically living here in NJ and getting the SD "residency" to take advantage of lower tax rates, FID laws, cheaper car insurance. If it were legal, I don't think anyone in NJ would say they lived here!

I just looked at that web site for the heck of it. Something about it seems sneaky. I'm assuming the point of using that service is because you have retired and plan on traveling the country in an RV. Wouldn't it be illegal to set up an address there but live in NJ or another state? It just seems to me that there are all kinds of legal issues if you own a home in NJ but register everything to a mail forwarding service in SD. I do see many positive things about moving there tax wise.

I thought that was the case, but a "coffee break conversation" yesterday led to a debate being that most states outside of PRNJ only require a DL for purchase, so any DL would work.

Not really interested in FA but would consider something like a BAR if I could get it legally.

I was wondering how this would work. Say you were on a road trip and drove to a state like Texas, walked into a shop that sells guns (gun shop, pawn shop, hardware store, etc.) paid cash and purchased a pistol. Would NICS catch that you were an NJ resident and tell the shop not to let you leave with the gun? Would they not say anything, you leave with the pistol, then NICS tells NJSP then your busted? Would no one say anything at all and as long as you walk the straight narrow line in NJ, no one would know you purchased out of state? I'm thinking any bigger chains of stores would know to raise a flag for a NJ resident, but what about the little shop located in the middle of no where in some tiny town? Please understand this is only a question out of curiosity. I have not tried to do this, do not plan to do this, and I'm not saying it's ok to break NJ law by doing this!

Assuming you had it shipped to an FFL, the FFL could pin the stock for you then your ok. An AR falls under long guns, so you could drive out of state and buy one then drive it back into NJ. I know some shops in PA, Cabelas being one of them, won't sell a NJ resident anything with the "evil features". Not trying to stir the pot here over legalities or moralities.

Sorry for sidetracking the OP. My point is that the hollow point issue in NJ is crazy just as is mag restrictions (which by the way there is a bill in this session to reduce max capacity to 10 reason being it will prevent another "Giffords Scenario") and many others. We already know that, so enough said.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't part of the idea behind a hollow point to expand outward and not go through the target? I thought it was supposed to reduce collateral damage by expanding outward instead of forward? If you had someone break in to your home, attack you, and you resorted to shooting them in self defense, isn't there more chance of a FMJ round going through the bad guy and possibly through the wall into another room than with a HP?

I didn't see the part that says NJ shall issue, but doesn't issue, and have some of the most dangerous cities in the country.

Who the hell suggested that? Still a loose loose situation for the victim. Either be violated or embarrass the hell out of themselves. Not good choices.

First off, I am glad to hear you got away safely. My intentions were not to insult anyone by saying "arm chairing" so I apologize if that came across the wrong way. You hit a very key point here. Situational awareness. You knew something was up watching this guy follow you which gave you time to prepare mentally options on how to get out of the situation. I think this makes a huge difference in a situation like a car jacking. Even if it was only 30 seconds of thinking, it was way different from being startled by someone suddenly at your window with a gun having no idea that something was not right. I have spent time in the emergency services (fire and ems, not LEO) and have had training on situational awareness. I'm confident in being able to make fast decisions under stress, but being I never had a gun pulled on me in any situation can't honestly tell you what exactly I would do if put in that scenario. For me looking at the story from the outside, my opinion is that it's a coin toss as to what the better option for me would be. Then again professionally I am paid to look at things from different angles and weigh the "what if's" which is why I look at many things from a 50/50 odds point of view.

That's pretty funny. Sad part is this is probably how our state legislators think!

Allow me to correct myself: a trained, legal ccw holder that practices has better odds of hitting their target than someone who does not train and practice. Stress will be a major factor as to the outcome of the situation however training should increase the odds of being effective. I would love to take a class that runs simulations on this. I'm curious to know how exactly I would react. Granted knowing it would be a simulation, at least I would get some insight on my reaction.

Interesting point. I say legal ccw folks still hold the upper hand. While Mr. Gangster is trying to look all cool holding his 45 sideways, people like us who go to the range and practice would probably be more effective delivering a proper placed shot out of a 380 or 9mm.

I agree. Getting back to the original purpose of this thread, if we had CCW I believe in time the bad guys would get a message that they might be eating lead instead of driving off in a jacked BMW. If it passed today, I say it would take a year or so and some bad guys being met with the barrel of a gun for word to spread through the criminal world that us ordinary folks are not gonna get stepped on any more.

There are a whole number of parameters that could effect how a situation like this could turn out. I'm not going to sit here and list all the what ifs. The body's natural fight or flight would take over. We can all sit here and go back and forth over this for the next century but until one of us are put in the situation I don't believe anyone can honestly say what would happen to them in this situation. A trained LEO or someone with military training will react different than a house wife or a doctor. Again, congrats to the woman who got away. I'm not calling her choice bad, just risky. Arm chairing this situation is easy, surviving it in real life is a different story!

Let me ask you this. Have you had a gun pulled on you? I shoot regularly with retired LEOs at my range. They have said that regardless of how good a shot you are, when your put in the situation having a gun pulled on you, it's all different. Guys that were marksman with pistols out to 50 yards would miss in a firefight 10 feet from the target. If you look back to my original posts in this thread you will see I referred to this incident as armature hour. A professional car jacker would have waited till the target car was boxed in so there was no easy escape. Not to mention that these people often work in teams so who's to say there isn't a second gun pointed on you? Honestly, even if I could carry and was put in the situation and had my kids in the car it's still something I would have to think twice about. Sorry if it seems this thread is derailing!

100-200 rounds and about 60-90 minutes. Depends on if I'm alone or end up talking with other shooters.

I have never been car jacked. Here is how I look at it. I'm sitting in my car and a person puts a gun up to my window and tells me to get out. In the passenger seat next to me is one child, in the back seat is the other. If I hit the gas to take off, there is a chance the gunman will fire either out of aggravation of me leaving or as a response to the sound of screeching tires and reving engine. Even if one shot is fired, there is a big chance it will hit the vehicle passenger compartment, go through the car body and possibly hit someone inside. Another possibility is the shot is fired and possibly punctures a tire or hits the car in a way that will slow me down or render the car inoperable. If I'm slowed down or stopped, who's to say the perp doesn't walk up and unload his weapon out of frustration? If I'm alone in the car And I was put in the situation, I would have hands down hit the gas and ran. I would not be worried about passengers being shot or injured due to very aggressive driving to flee. I'm not saying she's wrong for taking off, I'm saying it seems like a risk. I have one young daughter and I pray that we are ever put in a situation like this.

Back to the question in your topic title, we do deserve it! The problem is the politicians who view a situation like this as "see, they didn't need a gun to defend themselves"