Malice4you

Believe EFGA banned steel around '14. If you like AR platforms, why not try a 15-22? Similar operation, way cheaper to shoot. I keep trying to nudge a friend to get a .22 rifle (convinced him to get a .22 handgun, so I'm halfway there) so he doesn't blow through $100 in ammo in the first 30 minutes at the range. Unless you are buying high end match ammo, shooting .22s is still dirt cheap.

I'm like Mrs peel - I plan on getting my hunting license just so I can shoot rimfires at 100yds in Clinton. It is a 25 minute drive to Clinton, EFGA is 50 minutes. 75+% of my range time these days is dedicated to rimfires anyway. 100 yards with a .22 is a decent enough challenge. I'd love to shoot steel at 100 - i bought my 2 or 3" plate of ar500 about a month before EFGA banned steel, never got to shoot it.

I've heard rumors of a 200-300yd range since I joined in 2012? 13? 14? I never get emails from em, so other than the yearly member newsletter, no idea. I think it was a one line thing in one of the newsletters. The improvements (fence along the road) make me think there is 'progress' - but they work at a glacial pace. I'm still waiting on club-supplied steel like they said they'd do. I'd probably live on the 250 range if it ever happens - at least it would clear up the 100 a little. Knowing them, there will be parking for 2 cars...worst part of using the 100yd range. Ever since I saw the houses going up, I had the same thoughts as BobA.

To be fair, for the vast majority of guns named in this thread, they already: A) have banned them B) wanted to ban them well before I started this C) have neutered them If its fun, it probably fits into one of those 3 categories in the state of New Jersey.

The "Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip" bit is referring to something like a TEC-9 or AR pistol, where the pistol grip itself is only a pistol grip, and the magazine goes into a separate magwell - not like a Glock 23 (13rd factory magazine) or Glock 43 (factory 6rd) with a +2 on them. The Glock 23 factory 13rd mag with a +3 extension on it would be illegal because of capacity, not because of the extra grip area. If you were crazy and such a thing existed, you could have a +9 "extension" on a G43 for a 15 round capacity, though I have to imagine that might compromise concealability a bit. A G43 +10 "extension" would be illegal, silly, and even less concealable. But you could probably use the G43 as a war hammer or something if you ran out of ammo with that +9/+10...

I wonder how many of you answering AR platform would still pick that if the rule was more an "as configured by the manufacturer" and not "lower -based"? If you couldn't change the upper anymore, would the appeal still be there? And with all the new 'unique' types of shotguns coming out these days, I wonder if a P90 style will ever be in the works. Would be a heavy gun with a full mag... Maybe a 9mm version is more practical. Or .17hmr, even if thats not that different from the original. I'd go for any of em, always wanted a P(S)90, but a 12ga or PC or rimfire version would be pretty awesome too.

To be fair, if it were lined inside with additional foil and a layer of copper or bronze mesh, maybe with some pull-down ear flaps or mosquito-netting-like mesh material to totally surround the head, it could work well. Not sure bout that giant satellite dish though, I'm with ya there.

As long as the wife doesn't think your guns are now worth 10% more than what you told her you paid for them if something unfortunate ever happens...

You are gonna have problems in this parallel universe...you need additional parallel universes for all the guns you want since each you only gets 2 per universe. I know I would too, but I feel like my choices give me enough coverage within my strengths and weaknesses in shooting that I would be covered for most situations with my picks over a lifetime. While I might always wonder how I'd feel if I'd chosen an MSG90 or PSG1 or AR(+dozens of uppers) or whatever, if I really had to, I think I could live with my choices if those were the rules.

Gotcha, I misinterpreted what you wrote, though I do hope it clarifies things for anyone else. I wanted it to be a scenario where there is no gaming the system (Zeke) so you really have to think about what it is you really want out of your two guns. As for unlimited uppers, as per rules I set out, I'd say sure, long as they fit properly on your single lower.

In this scenario, you aren't issued anything. You get your two guns, and as far as you are concerned, these are THE only guns in the world. It equals 2. Hers are hers, she gets 2, and you don't ever get to play with em. Cause I'm an asshole.

I wanted it to be a tough choice for a reason... And for all the talk of everyone always wanting SBRs or full auto, surprised that there aren't more answers leaning that way. These don't have to be guns you already own, these can be dream guns completely out of reach for 99% of us...

So, parallel universe you can have any one long gun you want, and any one sidearm you want - with the catch that you can only ever own those two guns for the rest of your life. Some rules for this parallel universe: -You will still be paying for your own ammo, but let's say the guns are free. -There are no gun laws, other than you can only ever own one long gun and one sidearm. That means a full auto suppressed SBR is on the table if you are so inclined. -The restriction is limited to the receiver or whatever would be the serialized part of the gun. You can change parts to change barrels/stocks/calibers IF those parts exist today. So an AR lower could be many different gun types from a 24" barreled precision rifle to a 24"OAL SBR to a .50BMG bolt action. Or a 10/22 with 40 different stocks/skins to make it look like a G36 or M249 or AUG or whatever. Your 870 shotgun could have a 10" or 30" barrel. If the gun exists today, you can have it. Rarity is not a factor. Accessories are not a factor. -Your sidearm choice can be a traditional pistol or revolver, or something like a small SMG or Shockwave shotguns. You can't convert an AR pistol to a long gun because you would have two long guns then. -You can be as vague or specific as you'd like - "1911" or "M1 Carbine SN 137445A that my grandfather carried" are equally valid answers. -You are stuck with these choices for life - no trading/selling/borrowing/exchanging/renting/etc. What do you pick? For me, long gun I think is going to have to be an Accuracy International AWP .308 with some really nice glass. I've liked them for years, I've wanted one for years, I'll probably never own one in this universe, and it is what came to mind when I first thought of this question. Runner up was an HK MSG90. Sidearm would be HK MP5K. Another gun I've always liked, plus I could still have my full-auto fun. Guess I won't be concealed carrying, though. But hey, open carry is a thing everywhere, what with no gun laws and all....

I would guess about a year, year and a half ago. That said, from comments my friend had made a few years before that, nothing had really changed. Hopefully (but doubtfully) they have improved.

As a reference, they did call me AND send me the reference letter. Pretty sure it was a fairly long process for my friend, 4 months + if I remember correctly. Can't help you beyond that, good luck.

I hate letting other people drive. Always have, always will. Watching other people drive - be it as a passenger or seeing them in their car - scares me more than most things. Having seen people reading a book, shaving with a bic razor, applying makeup, turned around to deal with kids, or the old standbys like talking/texting - while driving, it makes me wonder how anyone survives a day on these roads. Let those people have autonomous cars, and leave me to drive my own. I hear of a lot of people who want this technology, I will hold out til the bitter end.

Come on, be serious. There aren't enough names in the world for all his guns.

Bullshit, I always do. It is beside the point that you get just one blink, so....don't.

At least mine had actual pictures...

What kind of pricing is expected? It may make the short list, once there are a lot more reviews. I have been making up a list of .22 rifles to upgrade to after my Mark II. Right now, I'm still thinking Anschutz 64 or 54 -action-based. I want something for 100yd accuracy if/when I outgrow the MarkII, and I have liked Anschutz since I first held one days after getting my first .22 rifle (which cost about 1/8th what that 64 did).

So, I found a screenshot of what the future of posting pictures will be like on this very forum - especially the AR pictures thread. There are some great pictures of the collections here.

While I don't think Harbor Freight sells ski masks, the three other things you'd need to buy for something like this wouldn't cost more than $35 there - maybe less if you've got a 20% coupon. Large bolt cutters, a claw hammer, and gloves, and maybe a bag for the loot - and that same kit would probably get em into almost any business out there. If not those tools, a stolen car can make easy work of most storefronts, or a truck can pull out a door or lexan window with enough prep time. Or for some businesses, going in from a neighbor's wall could be an option. Even if you prep for everything you can think of, someone might find something you didn't think of. There is no inexpensive way to really secure a business you want to be friendly and inviting for customers against someone determined enough to break in, especially a place like RTSP where they are far enough away from the main road that no one could see em from 10 or the other closest road. If they had to secure every gun in a safe every night, guns would get dings/dents/scratches, and employees would spend more time doing that on top of other reponsibilities. If you can slow unauthorized access to everything while keeping the business nice and inviting (and of the places close to me, RTSP is the nicest looking showroom), then I don't think you can fault much.

I have never been to rtsp late, before closing. I have been to another FFL late, and (at least years ago) their handguns get collected and locked up in a safe. Anyone know if rtsp cables everything in place or collects? If everything is left in place, it sounds like a broken window, a broken display case, and bolt cutters would fit in with the 2 minutes.

Any customer could walk into the place and see where a majority of the visible cameras or security system hardware are. Any smart criminal would be wearing masks and gloves, though there are a lot of really stupid people out there... What I imagine could be most helpful is outdoor cameras at many local homes and businesses and intersections, where their guard might be down, and any masks might be off. Hopefully these peopke are caught quickly and without incident, and every single item is recovered, and all the FFLs around benefit from knowledge gained from all this

Years ago, there was a "compensator" put out by Ares called something like the dragon's breath. It looked like it was 4 or 5" long, and for all purposes, was the innards of a can, just without the cylinder covering it. I think there was a Sig PCC or rifle that had a similar short barrel with 5" "compensator", and I thought I'd read that the ATF stepped in and was doing a review before allowing/denying sales. What is the legality of such a thing if: Used as a compensator and no one is dumb enough to get a conveniently 5" long section of 1.5" pipe? And Permanently attached to a 11" barrel per ATF rules to make it 16+"? And before I am asked, I have no interest in getting one for myself*, but a search on ebay for an unrelated item returned a result similar to the above and it got me curious. *OK maybe the tiniest of interest of shooting something like that just once, but not actually ever buying one