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Did you get to shoot it yet ? What exact model did you get ? I'm new to the game so I can't spot identify , but it looks just like my model 60 that I love .

Yes , that is what the 911 dispatch said " we don't need you to do that" . Zimmerman is under no legal obligation to follow that advice ..but if he is arrested his statements that he made himself ,stating that he was following the kid , will aid the prosecutor greatly. Whether or not we all agree on fault so far with this case , I think we can all agree that there is a good chance this could wind up being a landmark lesson on "what not to say to the cops and 911 dispatch". He said a lot of things on tape than can really do him in if he is arrested.

Here . I'll quote myself and clarify by modifying the text a little, I thing you guys are misreading me. This is a heated and emotional situation , I value my 2nd amendment rights and I know everyone else here does as well. Easy to get excited. I don't think anyone is assuming things stated here as fact. We are all just kind of mulling over the possibilities and debating different angles. Nothing wrong with that..we are not the jury . We are concerned gun owners who care about stuff like this not happening. You can't have a good debate without exploring possibilities. Nobody is writing this stuff to the press , you know? I for one want to hear various opinions and news on it as well.

If you throw out all the fluff and use a little common sense it seems to me what happened is no mystery. Zimmerman thought he was following a bad guy...kid in turn thought he was being followed by a bad guy. Things got physical , with both of them thinking they were being attacked by a bad person. One person gets upper hand in the fight .Gun goes boom , skittles don't. Fight over. Like I said in my original post on this , Zimmerman is at the very least a person who made a mistake by taking matters too far into his own hands , and at the very worst he committed murder. That is for a jury of his peers to suss out...he is not trained to pursue and deal with suspicious individuals. He called the police , right thing to do ..got out of his car , wrong thing to do . All hindsight now though. It ended badly , a person who was not in the commission of a crime was shot dead by another civilian. I call that a bad shoot whether or not the shooter was in fear for his life. He should not have followed on foot a person he was suspicious of. That is what the police do. He did not see a neighbor or friend being assaulted or anything like that , no reason for him as a citizen to engage. As a citizen IMO you have a responsibility not to start something with someone unless they are in danger of hurting you or another person and , IMO , carrying a weapon puts you at a higher responsibility to not start with with someone like that. I mean , look what happened. One person is dead and another has a life that ruined in any event.

I'll have to see that in black I think it is funny how people get all nervous if something is rear wheel drive ..like you'll do 360s at the first sign of rain. How did we ever survive ?

Yep , we have similar parenting views My little brother in his teens ( I'm 12 years older ) became quite the Graffiti artist. Grounded him for life , did no good. I had a talk with him about respecting others property and he went off on this koolaid rant about freedom of expression , that is his art type thing. One day while he was at school I took spray paint and grafitti'd his entire room in Strawberry Shortcake motif , did a Madonna rulzzzz on the wall over his bed , sharpied all his belongings with sayings about valuing education . Used sharpie all over his book bag , put things like :" I love New Kids On The Block" all over it , spray painted his denim coat pink. Got to his skateboard too. He threw such a fit I thought he was going to need meds . His mother was super pissed at me ( we have the same dad) ..but after she calmed down we all talked and decided he would not get new things , that he would have to paint over and clean all his stuff himself...the same way those property owners had to do if they did not like his "art" that he put all over their stuff. I told him anytime he grafittied someone's stuff , it would happen again , and again. After that he stuck to doing stuff with permission only . I did notice his mother not asking for my help as much after that. He always had enablers in the form of mom and other sister..and it shows in the "man" he has become today , unfortunately :/

lol we almost bought a mustang GT convertible in December . I don't know what we were thinking. We needed a second car that could fit at least 2 car seats . That is why I say Charger. Comes in a 4 door ..Newark detective across the street has a nice blacked out one . Want.

Good to see a father caring about this stuff . I have seen plenty get a kick out of their sons being a bully. Have you talked to your friend about it ? It can be a sticky situation. Has he apologized to the other boy? I am in a bit of a similar situation , other side of it. My best friend's 5 year old pushes my 5 year old around . They are girls , so it is more nasty cutting remarks and demeaning BS rather than physical. My friend's daughter is also a bit advanced in the trying to look like a sexpot department. She watches teen shows already and wears her clothes and moves her body in a way that IMO no 5 year old girl should. She pokes fun at my daughter and ridicules her for still liking 5 year old stuff . My daughter wants to dress up like snow white , my friends daughter wants to pretend to be one of the Kardashians. Anyway , I have not talked to my friend about it yet because it can be awkward awkward awkward...women get real real defensive when you have to intimate that their daughter is a sex charged bully.

Thanks Bob:) It "looks" refinished but may not be . It looks kind of very laquered if you know what I mean. The ammo that was with it is .32 rimfire . I plan to head over next week one day , drop off my .45 to CP and have a visit. I'll bring it along.

Check out this thread in Rifles please http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/34002-old-rifle-enthusiasts-help/

I have this really cool rifle ..it is a Stevens Long .32 rimfire . I am told it is from late 1800s . I was originally going to sell it ( and 2 other circa 1970s .22 rifles I have ) but heck , I decided to keep them and collect older rifles . Why not , right? I'm going to check out another estate next week. So , on the Stevens , a few questions . This is the same gun..I'll take pictures of my own copy tomorrow and post http://www.gunsameri...NG_RIMFIRE.htm# and here is another little blurb on it http://nrvoutdoors.c...IRST%20SHOT.htm How do I tell the condition of the bore , etc on this ? The stock has been refinished , you can tell. It needs it again. So I plan to do that all myself as a project. There are no dings or scratches in it..it just looks a little over laquered. What else do I have to check/clean on this ? The barrel has a kind of mottled look to it , looks like originally it was black or very dark gray. It kind of looks like spotty pueter now if that makes any sense . There are some cosmetic scratches ( not deep ) on the metal above the trigger guard..could I/should I buff that out? I know sometimes they often don't want you to polish these things if they are old. The hammer and surrounding area have a bit of gooey grease residue. I can't find any other info on it really. On the octagonal piece of the barell it says J Stevens A. & T. CO chicopee falls mass . usa PAT. APR.17.94 .32 Long Under the trigger guard which levers down it says B51 On the black wood butt plate it says Stevens Favorite Nothing else on it anywhere. I know the ammo is no longer made and hard to get.. I do have 100 rounds with it that was kept in dry ammo cans. I looked for tutorials on cleaving it..could not find anything . I would love to send some rounds down the range ..what should I do before shooting it ? I don't want it to blow up on me lol

Mr Wombat , looks like just Irishpete'swife's husband ( ) will be at LLNL II . Our little 9 month old is sick so I would not leave him with a sitter. Like any male , he is a bear when sick Enjoy , look forward to catching up some other time!

I use to be into cars , yes me , the woman here . i have owned at one time or another a 69 Pontiac Catalina , '69 Camaro , an Opal GT , a giant F250 with a huge lift kit , a giant yellow Jeep Wrangler again big lift kit , an 85 Iroc Z ....then I got into a sale career and had a Lexus Gs300 . I put a super hot ear piece in my ear ( it had been on the dash all day in July ) , the shock and pain made me run into the toll booth for the GWB ( I lost my ez pass for a long time ) the ear iece was so hot it took skin away and left a pretty serious burn. Next Lexus went under water during hurricane Floyd in Hackensack. Then I got a Jeep Grand Cherokee that I was going to do up..then I met Pete , then I had kids. Then I got a minivan , then I decided I did not ever want one again. Now we have a Honda Pilot. I have my sights set on a new Dodge Charger. Maybe next year.

I like your pick ! Nice one

no tools . +1 for your wife. I like Bluelinefish's take on it. Careful with domain names and stuff . I wound up screwed out of my DBA because of a hosting screw up.

She is there...

What backstrap do you have on there in the pics? Does the Mrs like the small backstrap , and will she be at LLNL Sunday? Nice pictures too. Except something happened to your white balance there on the last shot in the 1st post lol

He is very need to know cut and dry when it comes to online communication. Not a social network person at all. He is much more fun in person , get him in a pub and he's a rip

lol no , I was wanting to stick with .40 . Originally , before I even had my FID and PPs I professed my desire , to my husband , to immediately get a CX4 storm in .40 cal. I said that was" the only gun I would want anyway "( I laugh now at my naivete ) . So , Pete added a .40 cal CZ75 Sp01 tactical to his PX4 9mm..since I would have a .40 cal too. THEN I went and bought a.45 for my next gun lol ..then I bought a revolver lol lol . And a .223 rifle ( cracking up now) So when I went to go buy my 3rd handgun I had that radar you develop during a marriage..and it said " get a .40 like you said you would" . I will definitely take you up on your offer to try your HK , thank you very much Since I will have that M&P .40 you never know , I may just pick up another .45 for my HK gun. Who knows? Women , always changing our minds

Whoops! ^ that was me..posted as my husband again. Sorry!

It is drawing so much attention because it is the 3rd incident to hit the media. You know how that goes. One guy gave chase to a robber through the streets ,caught him , struggled , killed the robber . Another guy ran into into a park armed to yell at some skateboarders..another guy that was there with his 8 year old tried to intervene , got into with the armed skater hater , and was shot dead in front of his son. So now that on top of those two incidents you have a possible ( possible) hate crime commited using Stand Your Ground as the reason for no arrest..the media will be all over this for a while.

Nice ! Congratulations! I was looking for the HK USP .40 a few weeks ago ..the changeable backstraps are a plus for me too . The place I like to buy from did not have the full size though , just the compact . So I got an M&P ( Pro series DA only) instead. I get it next Friday. Will be looking forward to hearing your range report on this , since I do think I'll get the HK in .40 as my next ( or a CZ 75 , but my husband has one and I hate buying double because of the crazy laws) I see they have twin tactical lights as well

I think you got all good advice here. It really depends on the kid. Some mature later than others ( and is no reflection on how they will ultimately be..kids are all on their own developmental timeline) . I taught martial arts to kids aged 4 to 10. There were 5 year olds that were easily better at listening/absorbing/executing the material than some 8 year olds. It's an individual thing. My daughter is 5 1/2 and we have had plenty of gun talks..regarding safety , not touching unless mom or dad is helping them , what to do if a friend has a gun or pulls one out while they are visiting a friend's home. I expect to get her a BB gun this year maybe ..then let her try a kid's .22 rifle when she is 8 . That could change depending on her though. She is definitely interested right now ( and likes to watch Top Shot ) , I hope it sticks. By the way - she is tiny too. At age 5 1/2 she is 29 pounds and 39 inches. Not a big one lol As my for little guy in my siggy - well , I predict he will be introduced much later than my daughter based on personality. We'll just stick to toys for him for awhile lol Good luck ... my knee jerk answer without knowing your kids would be that 10 is generally old enough.

Pete will be at LL2 , I may be there as well depending on a few details kid related. And noooo , I won't be shooting my .45 . When I shoot it well and do not ride the recoil it ejects hard onto my forehead and eye protection. I would borrow Pete's PX4 Storm . I'd rather his CZ 75 but I'm sure that is what he would like use I'm bringing the .45 to the gunsmith next week , and picking up an M&P .40 pro next Friday . Looking forward to that one !

We're right in North Arlington. Maybe in the summer , hit us up if you see anything coming up in the future.