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Not making an anti Leo point....just odd that with nics waits continuing to grow...that the only ffl/shop that caters to the agency that is responsible for the nics debacle now stops sales with larger profit margin/more frequent buyers ..... As to the comment about off the wall niche companies that realistically probably never had an order from an agency anyway ,taking a "symbolic stand" and not sell to Leo agencies in anti 2a states that are attempting to further strip rights is a far cry from the aforementioned action.....as you said shit happens and ill deal with it.....just like all the other games being played in the state.....

Well i get what youre saying to a degree... but sell only to the sustomer that pay 30% less? Lol from a business standpoint that ridiculous.... Departments buy guns what every 3-5 yrs? So if its not about making money/profit and all about supplying the blue labels to Leo ok ... But just doesn't seem logical to me.... Would be like a Resturant deciding to only serve a very small minority who recieve a deep discount... But it's their business not mine.... Seems to just perpetuate the them/us "we are the only people qualified/ need to have a gun" divide.... Lol

I get that... But an dept order is just that... Not like they walk in and say "oh hell let me buy 100 glocks".... They would have been a couple months of paperwork/budgets etc and an order placed...i can't begin to think they are filling dept orders from on hand stock.... And they didn't give mere mortals the Leo/gssf price... So seemingly they would make more off a minion sale than a deeply discounted one ... With the same or or less paperwork....maybe njsp/firearm unit played a role?.... 3week instant checks.. People still buying... Get dealers to stop selling to anyone but Leo ...that will stop sales....... (Tinfoil hat/conspiracy theory mode off now)

I have to question the reason behind that decision.... Anyone know ..not speculation?

yup look at the glass 3/4 full...he saved 3 of the 4.....compared to the nyc shooting gallery a while back this guys a marksman...lol

Agree! I guess the one employee that tries pushing his " tactical combat super ninja rifle fighting class " for $7-800 (don't remember exact price on flyer he handed me while hard selling) doesn't count as he uses the range for it lol wonder if he actually gets any takers on that haha

So Walmart ..as white trashy as it may be... Who didn't price gouge .. Is bad ...but dicks who slapped the gun community in the face and raised prices ... Not to the gouger level but raised..Is good?...and the guy that goes to Walmart or dicks and buys 22 bulk for $22 and lists here for $75-100 is a respected free marketeer?...seems odd lol

Yes they do... I was in there yesterday a whole rack ... Entry level to higher end... Best part 5minute nics call and no sales tax!...

And de&md

probably through one of the many loopholes at a gun show ..ordered it from shotgun news..or onlne and had it sent right to his house with no checks just hope our rulers hury up and pass laws to protect us

So it's not about the fight of denying a constitutional right? ...an obvious testing of the waters/further conditioning of accepting more roadblocks and delaying an already ridiculously over involved and redundant process?..just because at the moment it doesn't affect you(at the moment) hopefully when it does it hasn't progressed too far from too many with that mindset .... Edit: I apologize if it seems as if it seems im attacking you personally ..I'm not just that's the type of thing that's gotten us to the position we are now...

i saw in in the politics section under the premier section

That's correct... But my question is how long the fight been going?....this isn't new....and yet they are still in and continue to get elected.....while everyone on this board feels the same.... The 100 active posters are obviously not the voting majority

But in all reality.....just like the big bootie freak/you got knocked the f*** out scandal.....where did it go? News articles....did he get suspended? Fined? Removed from duty as chairman?... Nope business as usual... No doubt in the office with doors closed they joked about it and high fived each other....the system is so far broken ...pointing out misconduct is pointless when they are on the same page....

Wonder if it'll be like the dhs video ...hide under ur desk with scissors

222... I didn't see that part before.... I was under the impression it was about family transfers etc... And I thought it got shot down around the 18th of April?

ok..ill see you point..i perhaps assumed by the "oh well" attitudes at ffls about the ever growing wait they werent concerned...well when i actually got my turn to speak to one in the crowded shops....so then why are they not rattling cages?...and i didnt see in the mentioned amendment anything about doing away with in state only pistol purchases...

no personal experience...but saw this.... http://www.glockpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2800

so its ok if you dont pay first to wait another month for something that is instant everywhere else and used to be here...while you already waited 1-9 months to get the magical permit that is like milk on a summer sidewalk....permits going void waiting on nics checks... they have been slowly stretching the delay out....at the height of panic...it was a day or two...and has gradually increaded to almost 3 weeks now? ......my point was the general sentiment that buyers should just accept the bs thats being pushed on us...and that dealers dont really care as they are still selling guns ...and if it was them waiting for what they are after their attitudes might be different....when will the nics delay reach "unacceptable"? 2..3..4...6 months?

i havent bought from any of the ffls from this board...but every one i have and friends have expect payment up front..and its not "private parties"...its brick and mortar stores....prior to the nics drama youd fill out paperwork pay then they call....so its the same only now you give them money (sizable amounts) then go sit and wait for the state to have the time to process

this is not directed at any shops or ffls on this site...more a general theory of nj ffls/dealers and the nics drama on a whole....in all reality who is really getting jerked around...dealers...or buyers?....id be willing to bet if the process suddenly changed whereby the buyer paid the state and it was dealers that had to sit and wait for their call to get their money released by the state for weeks and approaching a month now ...they wouldnt be so complacent...easy for them to shrug it off they have the money in hand before faxing off the forms most places... edit: heres a fun idea...since its no big deal..how about buyers dont pay for anything until approval is back ?....think theyll go for that?...

only option right now to avoid the delay is f2f sales..

I had one years ago when I lived in a non permission slip state simply because i came to own it very cheaply ...like $50 I think... Shot it a few times had no real purpose for me and sold it and tripled my money

I was with a friend (last year one of the oaks) who was asked when we walked in to pay if he had any firearms.... To which he without thinking twice said "just my concealed"... They then asked if he was le... When he said no... They said everyone aside from Le have to go through "that" line where they the uniformed Leo cleared,zip tied ,and handed it and mag and +1 back....maybe he just got unlucky ... As they didn't ask me who was next in line ..nor have I ever been asked... Lol

Yes definately smaller .. Was supposed to be 1000 tables... I didnt count...Seemed like less though... Wasn't really as crowded as its been since Colorado .... Some crazy prices on ammo and guns...but other vendors back towards normalcy ... As been said lots of pmags...ranging from 40ish to the lowest I saw was 16.....the line for the reloading guy in the corner (tnt?) was nuts but was able to get some Sierra booolits I've been after.. Little more than they should have been but at least I was able to get them....limits of 2 per style/kind on bullets...he had a pallet of Winchester small pistol primers... Some cci not sure what they were I got the last box of 41's (so I was told)..... Had various powders... But no blc2 there was another guy in the middle with reloading stuff and powders ... That has 8 lb blc2 for $150 limit 1..... No 1 lb of it though....