TheDon

Research before you post something like this. This is how it works. State Department negotiates and POTUS executes (signs) the treaty. The Sec. of State may sign a lessor treaty on behalf of the POTUS. POTUS makes an official request to the Senate for approval. This has to be in writing, read into the minutes, and called to the floor by the President of the Senate. Senate debates and votes. The Senate must approve the Treaty by a 2/3 majority. Only with Senate approval can POTUS ratify the treaty and make it binding upon the US. There are lots of little backwater channels flowing around in there, but those are the main milestones. The House of Reps is not involved in the process at all.

Bugging out with guns. I suggest one simple rule: Has law enforcement broken down? No: Carry two longguns unloaded, cased, and separate from ammo. Yes: It's f---ing Alabama, baby: Shotgun in a scabbord over the shoulder, 1911 on your leg, AR15 in a 2-point sling, and a "F--- Width Me 'n Die" expression in your eyes. Joke!

If the sh!t hits the fan and I have to bug-out by foot, how am I supposed to cary 22 firearms and about 10,000 rounds of ammo? I'm gonna need some help.

After a little research, I am sure that the petition must have described 30 grams per month (not per day) and someone misread/misspoke it. All the info I can find describes 1 tenth of the reported amount as lethal. Thanks all, for your advise. Hopefully, with restraining orders on 3 of her friends, ankle bracelet tracking her location, mandatory fulltime employment, mandatory daily counseling, etc., she will not have time for or access to drugs.

Thanks, LibertyOrDeath. We appreciate it and hopefully my neice will one day come to as well.

I have a radio too. That used to be the gold standard of minimal preparidness: access to public announcements over the radio, Well, the Huricane last summer gave me a reason to break out Tub #1: Radio, flashlights, batteries, candles, matches, portable stove, etc. Once the power when out, we listened to the radio for hours to try and get information. Nope. Only 1 south Jersey station gave info: 101.5 NJ. And they just kept repeating the same info over and over. Times have changed. But it is good to know that if there is ever a disaster in NJ and Philly is unaffected, the spew of Hip Hop over the airwaves will continue.

Thanks for the info LibertyOrDeath. My niece is certainly getting some help, court-ordered, starting today. My wife came home from the sentensing and told me the how much she was doing and I thought it sounded insane. But I don't know anything about this stuff. My niece is 100+% overweight, so she was shooting up for 2 people. But I still thought someone could never do that much dope and remain alive. Plus, there was no way she was making that kind of $$ to call that a "habit". ETA: Just got screamed at by my wife and brother-in-law. They told me that's what was reported on her petition for state-funded rehab. She started at 16 and is now 22. Would it be possible to build up so much resistence in 6 years? Any experts in the forum?

So, from what you guys are saying, it could not have even been a missunderstanding of 30 for 13. What is the smallest amount you can buy on the street? What would make sense to say "She had a 30 ____ per day habit"?

I am not so old that I forgot the weights and measures for things like pot and coke. But I am admittedly dumb when it comes to the hard drugs like heroin. What does it mean when someone has a 30-bag per day habit? How much money would that cost per day? How many hours per day could someone be remotely conscious with a habit like that.

FIFY.

I agree. I have contemplated what would likely occur in the event of major natural disaster. There is no place to go. There are 16MM people in NYC and Long Island, and another 8.5MM in NJ. You are naive if you think PA is going to allow 24MM people to cross the bridges into PA. There will be National Guard barricades in place at all the Delaware River crossings. Not trying to be a bummer; but IMHO, unless we have advanced warning, our options will be to shelter in place or head to the FEMA concentration camp at Fort Dix. I am set up for (1) shelter in place and (2) evacuate by car (if we get advanced warning). ETA: I am prepared for a local disaster that renders bugging-in impossible. I have a fanny pack full of immediate survival gear like a knife, water purification, sewing kit, primitive first aid, flashlight, glow stick, matches, etc., for each family member. I also have 72 hours of food and water for 4 people in 4 backpacks. But that is just for local disasters. Anything regional will require hunkering down in place.

No law that I am aware of. This sounds like an administrative procedure. I would challenge it because it now costs big $$$ to get fingerprinted and background checked. They are wasting your money.

You are going to love it.

I don't put Russian ammo into anything that is not a Russian gun. I use the Russian stuff in my AK and Mosin, but learned my lesson well after buying 1,000 rounds of .223 from Tula. The time/labor and supply cost of cleaning that dirty crap out of my AR more than offset any savings. Mid-quiality ammo does not cost that much more than the cheap Russian crap. While I am sure my Walther P99 would eat it, I would never feed it Ruussky ammo. OP, just have patience and keep looking. You can usually find mid-quality brass-cased 9mm for $10 in bulk. I have found S&B to be OK stuff. I don't shoot indoors so I cannot comment on the steel core. I don't see anything on the packaging that says steel core. Check out Sportsmans Guide and Natchez Shooting Supply.

LOL. Retracted. Classic FOX.

Good article. Did not notice any disinformation, which is uncharacteristic for FOX. Like what was said earlier in this thread, I don't think we New Jersians will notice much difference in our lives. But people in America will be up in arms (figuratively and maybe literally) when faced with these types of controls. It will certainly be worth the BIG box of popcorn to watch this one play out.

^^^^ This. +10 The reason is simple: The ILA can get everyone all hot and bothered about the big bad UN imposing Europe's will on the US. That leads to $MM's in contributions. It is all about the money.

No. The FPOA only applies to interstate transportation within the US. Santa is traveling internationally and may fall under the ATT. From what I'm hearing, we may be SOL for firearms as Christmas presents this year.

^^^^ This. My comments were specifically about the Stinger. Velocitors are GTG; my go-to round for groudhogs in the garden.

Last post, really this time I promise. To my knowledge this case has never been tested in a situation where either the origin or destination have stricter statutes than the FPOA (as the FPOA was designed to protect citizens in the reverse situation). So until we have a test case, this is all just a collection of personal (non-qualified) opinions and interpretations. Vlad hit the nail on the head: Does the applicability of the Federal law start at your doorstep or the state line? To my knowledge, nobody has ruled on that yet. Anyone care to be the test case? It might be me, because when I take my kids to go visit my parents in Western PA next month, we will have the family roadster packed with numerous firearms and a large amount of ammunition, all being transporte in accordance with FOPA specifications. ETA: I just got a PM informing me that there is indeed a test case for the situation where the origin had stricter statutes than the FOP. Guess what? The State prevailed. The ruling of the NY court follows: http://www.courts.st.../2008_05814.htm Basically the judge is interpreting 926A as applying only if the end/intended-use is legal at both the origin and destination. If this ruling were used as presidence in NJ, you could be screwed if you admit your intent to carry in PA. If you are not allowed to carry a pistol in NJ, this ruling says the FOPA would not be applicable. You would need to cite your reason for transport at traveling to a range or other NJ-legal purpose.

Again. I think everyone should feel comfortable taking their firearms with them as they travel to America. I do it regularly. Going back to the fundamental concepts of constitutional law, COTUS cannot nullify a State's laws as they are applied within that state. Congressional acts and SCOTUS rullings simply provide an affirmative defense against prosecution. Therefore, most state persecutors will not pursue a conviction for violating the State statute unless they have a way to circumvent the applicability of the Federal law/ruling. I do not want to be responsible for someone betting their liberty on how an anti-gun judge might rule on the applicability of the FPOA within NJ. Enough said. I am going to stop posting on this thread now. All I ask is that we do not represent this as a clean-cut black-and-white case. I respect that everyone is entitled to their opinion, even those who may disagree with me. And, I can see where the other arguments have merrit too. Here are the two sources that I am basing my opinion on. Hardly Law goes into quite some detail explaining the FOPA. Admittidly, it does not address the situation where the origin or destination states have gunlaws that are more strict than the FPOA. But it clearly describes the the protection as being only for the intermediate states between the origin and destination.

I think it is worth adding, that I always take my pistol with me when I travel to any state that recognizes my FL CCW. I transport it as specified in the FPOA. I do this because I believe that I have a greater chance of getting killed in an auto accident during the trip than getting pinched on a handgun violation. I agree 100% with vladtepes: I am just addressing the misinformation of the FOPA protecting you in NJ

Paul, you keep doing the facepalm. Please elaborate. How the heck can the FOPA (a Federal law) apply to a NJ citizen while he is in NJ? The Federal govenment cannot override state laws as they apply to the citizens. ETA: Specifically. If you are pinched by an ant-gun LEO enroute to PA and charged with illegal posession of a handgun under NJ statutes, how can your lawyer introduce the FOPA as an affirmative defense at your trial?

POTUS is in charge of the executive branch, so yes he could enforce it. Doing so would be impeachable because it is a violation of our Constitution. Vienna does not grant the POTUS immunity from his oath of office. The interesting conflict would be COTUS passing a law that violates the ATT after the Hillmonster executes it. We would then need the SCOTUS to rule on which takes precedence. Watching that one would be worth the BIG bucket of popcorn.

The FAA provides for it. ETA: I am not trying to make this difficult. I just don't like you telling people who come to this forum for information that the FOPA will protect them when it does not. Precise example of the FOPA: The FOPA provides someone from VA driving to VT with an affirmative defense from from prosecution in the anti-gun states like MD, NJ, and NY as he travels through those states. The person is still subject to the laws of VA and VT. Show me the black letters from the law that say differently.