H.M. Murdock

No. No new laws

100 bucks to you Keith, LET IT RIDE!!! P.S. Infowars sucks

And pocket knives, leathermans right? Unless that was a different bill

nice my buddy's unit just got all their kimbers back from the engravers beautiful gun, congrats one day I shall own one

I don't think so. I think it is intended for people with C&R FFL 03 licenses -- the majority of whom NJ does not recognize because all NJ FFLs must have a store front. This is my initial understandly, I haven't yet gone thru the statutes mentioned in the bill, below: Or maybe you can and they are creating a practical use for a 03 FFL license in NJ

Welcome entering with a joke -- I like it

You can look it up individually on the State's website Here are my abridged notes from yesterday, some bills are missing and some votes may be slightly inaccurate A3687 terrorist watch list Kean - not enough time to discuss, watchlist governing 2a con right? voting yes anyway, ask to be returned to 2nd reading to inject due process Greenwald - "better safe than sorry", table motion Stender - can appeal, no info on why rejection (watchlist is secret) Y-46 N-30 A-0 3rd reading Y63 N3 A10 A3717 Y70 N5 A1 A3754 34d reading mental health - firearms seizure Y46 N29 A0 A588 body armor penetrating ammo prohibited Y71 N5 A1 A1329 3rd reading 10 round mags Greenwald after mags banned we saw reduction of them at crime scenes Handlin no return on law, 3d printed magazines Caroll abitrary amount, pulled out of thin air, will force million law abiding citizens to spend money to replace mags, no evidence 15->10 will save any lives, leo exemption Green rambling McHose goal is to keep guns out of hands of criminals, this bill has no effect bramnick hold bills until SAFE task force reportrs O'scanlon poorly written, arbitrary Greenwald 10 # is result of scientific study Y45 N29 A0D A1683 3rd reading fiarms ammo purchase Y74 N0 A1 A3645 A3646 A3666 f2f ammo Y46 N29 A0 A1116 180 day prohibition passed A1387 3rd reading weapon free zones Wilson Bramnick double jeopardy and plea bargain issue Y48 N24 A3 A3583/1613 3rd reading security task force Y75 N0 A0 A3659 .50 cal Barnes Y46 N29 A0 A3748 background check on private sales O'Donnell Carroll Y45 N28 A0 A3510 3rd reading permits, training required Y47 N26 A0 A3773 A3772 3rd reading fpid pic required, 5 year renewal Y48 N26 A0 A3797 3rd reading firearms siezed passed A3668 divest pension plans Y44 N29 A1 A3788 Y77 N0 A0 A3796 Y50 N22 A5 AR143 support for gun buyback Y75 N0 A2 ACR180 3rd reading Y45 N22 A0

From my notes: A3754 3rd reading mental health - firearms seizure Y46 N29 A0 Not limited to doctors: If a licensed practitioner of psychology, psychiatry, medicine, nursing, clinical social work or marriage counseling who is currently providing treatment services determines, in the exercise of reasonable professional judgment, that the patient is likely to engage in conduct that would result in serious harm to self or others, the licensee shall report, as soon as practicable to the Attorney General the patient’s name and other non-clinical identifying information which the Attorney General shall only use to determine whether the patient has been issued a firearms purchaser identification card, permit to purchase a handgun, or any other permit or license authorizing possession of a firearm. If the patient has been issued a card or permit, the Attorney General shall arrange for any firearm possessed by the patient to be seized pending a hearing. The Attorney General shall issue guidelines governing the seizure of firearms pursuant to this subsection Also provides civil immunity to the mental health professional who reported the person

I was wondering that myself. Hopefully there will be a selection of classes you may take to qualify. FPID applicants intent on purchasing a long gun need not subject themselves to the NRA Basic Pistol course. And vice versa for PTP applicants needlessly taking a long gun course. My questions are whether the course will require live fire and how expensive and time consuming will the training be (Anthony, start submitting bids! )? Since it is not defined in the bill it will be arbitrarily redefined every time there is a mass shooting until the requirements are whittled down to the impossible and the majority of citizens are de facto banned. IF this bill is to pass in Senate it should be amended to outline the specific requirements in the written law. Any hope of that, Sweeney?

Axeman, Again, that process does not remove you from the list, it only gives you a redress #. The NJ bill does not include provisions for using a redress #, nor can it because the state cannot verify that information with the federal agencies You get denied. You appeal. They don't even tell you your denial is because you're on the TWL. Nonetheless you obtain a redress # from the feds. You submit another application with your redress #. You get denied because you're STILL ON THE TWL and the fed will always return a hit for the rest of eternity. The redress # cannot help you in your appeal to the county or state. It is a de facto ban for anyone on the list. While it's impossible to get off the list it's fairly easy to get added erroneously. Care to put your full name where your mouth is?

Ok, you got a bite.. Exactly, you are defending your 2A rights rather than everyone's. I'm going to defend both my 2A rights and the guy's next to me. As well as the right to due process. This is not tin foil stuff here. The bill does not realize a working appeals process for getting a FPID or PTP if you are on the watch list by mistake. And the bill passed in Assembly unamended. Do I want to join you? How about you join me? I've been at Trenton every time, I've been writing, emailing and calling elected officials, etc. And I've been replying to posts like this in defense of the 2A. Yes I am going to bicker with you now because your willingness to throw due process out the window is sending chills down my back. Note that no one in the legistature has actually asked if we're willing to trade the TWL bill for the 10 round Mag bill. They both passed in Assembly. I'm not sure why you are offering it up as Sophie's choice.

Getting a redress # does not remove you from the list The bill also has no process of appeals as the Assemblywoman explained you will be expected to appeal federal agencies which cannot report back to the county court. Maybe you ought to accidentally get added to the list so you can deal with it first hand and spend years of time and money trying to get yourself removed before you dismiss the lack of due process so casually

I know people that are stopped at the airport because they can't get off the watch list (since it's secret and there is no definitive method to get removed) and they don't get denied on NICS

So there is a 99.99% chance that someone is on the list for good reason? But we'll never know? What kind of statistic and argument is that?? Anyway.. that's 1 in 10,000 people denied their 2A right without a working appeals process. That's a couple orders of magnitude more people denied their 2A rights than there are mass murders or even total firearms death rate in NJ per capita

Just got home from Trenton.. What a shitshow! I think I was sitting next to McBeth and friends Going to start looking for a place in Bucks County and do the ole I-195 routine for work

I think it is a great idea, see you all tomorrow

John K -- do you shoot at CJRPC?

Alright, you make a pretty good case.. heh

AZ -- won't have to travel far to ski FL -- too humid for me

Exxcellent!

If it's not in NJ then you just need to follow the law of whatever state you are in PA?

If you like NH then why not Vermont? They have Constitutional Carry, New Hampshire does not

It was a bit tongue-in-cheek there.. I'm with you brother, as I'm sure most here are. If the Powers That Be think they can trample over my 2nd Amendment rights just wait until they see the hard-on I've got for the 4th and 5th Amendments!

Anyone want to be the test case for the "Biden Defense"?

Fortunately it is simple to determine the truth: how did they vote? After tomorrow's vote we will know how every assembly person actually stands