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Yeah, that went on the want list as soon as I saw it. Bouns- Ruger makes 25 round 10/22 magazines which would be illegal on a semi, but since this is a bolt (and I don't own a 10/22).... standard capacity mags, here I come.

I get that. But I guess my question would be- What would trigger them coming onto your property? - Shots fired? That could be anything. -What about bow hunting? Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for a way to game the system (no pun intended) I'm all for hunting regs. and I only hunt public land. I just don't see how "We think you took a turkey without a tag" overcomes the 4th amendment.

That refers to the public land. You can carry, open or concealed, on your own property all day every day. As in, you can still be fined/lose your hunting license? Maybe, but you won't be charged with unlawful possession on your own land. All of which raises a question I've had for a while: How are F&G regs enforced on private land? It's not like game wardens can come on your property without a warrant.

It isn't.

there's a nj court opinion somewhere, in which the court, stating that there was no clear standard for imminent danger, turned to the definition of when lethal force is permitted. in other words, they decided to define justifiable need as being in imminent danger of death or bodily harm and they defined that as the same standard look to when you actually have pulled a gun and shot someone. in yet other words, someone has to be shooting at you in a situation where you can't retreat before they let you a carry permit. of course by then it's too late.

Cabelas usually has .45 fmj for $22. Also, if you're in central jersey, Lou's recently had some Winchester Ranger HPs for $35.

First time I shot my 12ga H&R Ultra Slug I gave myself about the same eye clearance as I normally do on my .22.... My nose was swollen for a week. Thank God for shooting glasses, since they took the bulk of impact.

When looking for my first gun I looked at the Smith 686 and was impressed with everthing but the price tag. so I went with a Ruger GP 100, feeling a little like I was compromising. I now own 5 Ruger handguns. If you want/need to save a few bucks but still want a super-reliable, well-built, good-looking, American-made wheel-gun backed by excellent customer service, go with a Ruger. The only thing Smiths absolutely have over Rugers out-of-the-box is the trigger. Otherwise, Ruger's value compared to what you get is unbeatable. Taurus guns look good and some current owners like them a lot. It may be that they've overcome their earlier problems. I'm just not a gambling man.

^yup

Anyone calling for the killing of large numbers of people for expressing a vile point of view and/or for being of a certain ethinc/racial/religious/political group is fracking idiot and makes the rest of us gun owners look as dumb as them.

FIFY: apparently the muslims some 9/11 truthers are demanding

Or if he's really set on something "different" the R8/TRR8 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765661_-1_775660_775655_757896_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

Sabots out of a rifled barrel. See for instance: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/winchester-super-x-slugs-12-gauge-xrs123-sabot-3-1-ozs-5-rounds.aspx?a=202723

All my guns get shot. I even give a fair* amount of trigger time to my 12 ga slug gun. *at $2/round fair = 5 or 6 per outing.

Scenario: You: Hey dude, where are you? Dude B: Driving on an unlit stretch of the parkway in the pouring rain with bald tires, bad brakes, no headlights, drinking a beer, smoking a joint, forgot my glasses at home and my wipers don't really work anymore. You: You shouldn't be driving like that. Dude reads second text, kills a bunch of nuns and orphans in a church van. Result: You get sued.

Yup, he's wrong. On a semi-auto rifle, a flash suppressor is fine so long as you don't have one of the other evil features (see below). A lot of people get hung up thinking flash suppressors are illegal because they're coming from the AR/AK perspective and those rifles already have evil feature #2 (pistol grip), so they can't also have evil feature #4. In short, if you really want that rifle (the multi-cam is really nice) go back, bring a print out of the law and explain that it's TWO features not just one that makes a semi-auto long gun NJ illegal. If all that fails, ask for the manager. Evil Features list: i. A semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following: (1) A folding or telescoping stock; (2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (3) A bayonet mount; (4) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and (5) A grenade launcher;

The biggest concern is Part E. 1. Looking up prior arrests and complaints is THEIR job and it's much easier for them* than for you. 2. If your neighbor 30 years ago filed a complaint against you that you don't even know or forgot about, say goodbye to your 2nd amendment rights. *as easy as typing your name and pulling up your rap sheet. Literally 30 seconds.

#irony

Or buy a quality revolver* and you'll need a new wrist before it needs a new part. *Meaning Ruger/Smith. Cor-Bon used to test their 38/357 ammo through a 4" GP100 which they retired after 200,000 rounds, at which time it was still shooting 2" groups at 25yds. They then switched to a S&W 686. I've also read competition shooters who said they'd put 300,000+ rounds through their Rugers with no issues.

Scratch that. I didn't see the FNX on there.

One in stock: http://lanbosarmory.com/index.php?referrer=cnwr_4191340829622&main_page=product_info&products_id=7717

I'd get the Ruger.

Which raises the question; How would you ccw your favorite most best combat 1911 that you bought with your last permit during a SHTF scenario and it's the only gun you have, etc?

Thanks for all the replies and info guys. It's really appreciated. @Chris: I didn't know even know those existed. Looks like there are some good ones out there, too- http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/07/chris-dumm/gun-review-arsenal-slr-106fr-5-56mm-ak/ @HuntingPaper: Nowhere good at the moment, at least not for rifles. Though I'm going to be joining EFGA soon (still only 100yds, but it's better than nothing). @Jon: LOL. I'm not expecting the zombies to come any time soon (though you never know). I only referenced SHTF since, this being my first rifle, serious maintenance/repair is going to be outside my skill-set for a while. So I was thinking I should go with something that's less likely to need any extra care on my end. @Nick: Good point about non-semis*. If it really came down to it, at HD distances I'm plenty comfortable with my shotguns for accuracy, stopping power and reliability. For longer distances, a bolt or lever action does seem like a good bet. (more research!) Everyone else, thanks again for all the info and keep it coming *My very next purchase is actually going to be a Mosin-Nagant 91/30. The AK or AR will be after that.