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So, this week I learned that being on probation in NJ means no gun ownership during your term of supervision, even if you're on probation for an offense which would NOT make you a prohibited person, like Shoplifting (DP) or Bad Checks (DP). This is #11 from the NJ Standard Conditions of Adult Probation: You shall not have in your possession any firearm or other dangerous weapon as defined in N.J.S.A. 2C: 39 et seq. If you possess a permit to purchase a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card, you must surrender these documents promptly to your probation officer. In addition, if you presently own any weapons, they must either be surrendered to your local police department or to any other criminal justice agency designated by your probation officer.

@Johnp, that's pretty cool. If I had to count on a gun, I'd prefer a revolver. Duppie/Sludog, thanks for the info. I can live with some holster wear on a used gun. Now if only these permits would come through...

Buds has some police trade in .38s for $279. (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/654_910/products_id/411545791/Used+Guns/Police+Trade+Ins) These pop up from time to time. Anyone buy one from there? General opinions on this model gun? Police trade ins? Also, who the hell still issues wheel guns? Are these really old/foreign PD trades? Thanks.

Have one (3" SS). Thought it was the bees knees until i felt the trigger on a 686. That said, it's still my fave gun and the one I'd trust my life to if it came down to it. In fact, a 4" blued is next on my list (after the .45 I have on order).

Putting in for new P2Ps in Edison. Will update in 2014 when I get them...

Good call. http://25.media.tumblr.com/91f351f7f976f582e422a0a64588b108/tumblr_mlbmbtyrdS1r4d968o1_500.jpg

Craftsman, unless you're a pro. +1 for 6-pt sockets.

Bullet hole has a bunch as well. They're also readily found on the discount online gun stores like buds, kygunco and kittery trading post.

Also, you couldn't wear out a GP100 shooting .357s if you tried.

another vote for this

Didn't see this elsewhere: http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-76123625/ From what I can tell it's going to be shall issue

I may have over reacted...

[Disclaimer: This has nothing to do with this subject at all, but since you thought it'd be cute to bring it up...] You're can't really serious with bullsh1t. You really think that minorities are treated better by the police and courts? That they get cut some slack for being black, brown etc? You have no f...ing clue. It's about as opposite from that as you can get. What a ridiculously misinformed comment.

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Where I grew up is almost the opposite- large city in North Jersey. But I learned most of the same things as you (except for the fire wood). My father and grandfather were machinists. My grandfather was also a bullfighter as a young man in Spain. One uncle is an upholsterer and another does armed security for freight lines overseas. Most of my friends growing knew how to fix cars, stuff around the house and we all know how to handle ourselves when things get real. I learned to hunt/outdoors survival only later on. The point being, it's more about your influences than your location. Having the right men around growing up is the key. ^exactly

Angry Birds = PC. Awesome...

^This. -HP ammo transport/possession is essentially the same as a firearm. Illegal, except for certain exemptions. -Traveling from place of purchase to home/range is one of the exemptions and is therefore 100% legal (so long as the person is not otherwise prohibited). -UPS pick up location = point of purchase/delivery just like a local FFL is effectively your point of purchase for a handgun, even if you bought it online/out of state and only had it shipped to the FFL for transfer. -Simple possession of HP ammo, outside of one of the exemptions, is a crime onto itself, though almost always charged along with some other offense. That other offense need not be gun related and often isn’t (i.e. drug arrest-> vehicle search-> HPs found-> additional charge). -I’ve seen one case where the ONLY charge was HP ammo, though the initial contact with PD was a domestic violence call (no charges filed on the DV). -IANAL

Maybe it occurred to him that if he got singled out for arrest at a pot rally where he wasn't smoking/possessing pot, he definitely would've gotten arrested at that rally.

Here’s the timeline from the phone records: 6:54 - 7:12 — Trayvon Martin has an 18-minute cell phone call with a girl (reported to be his girlfriend) which gets disconnected. 7:09:34 - 7:13:41 — George Zimmerman calls the Sanford Police Department (SPD) from his truck; total time of the call is 4 minutes 7 seconds. 7:11:33 — Zimmerman tells the police dispatcher that Martin is running. 7:11:59 — In reply to the dispatcher's question, "Are you following him?" Zimmerman says, "Yes." Dispatcher states, "OK, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman replies, "OK." 7:12:00 - 7:12:59 — The girl calls Martin again at some point during this minute. 7:13:10 — Zimmerman says he does not know where Martin is. 7:13:41 — Zimmerman's call to Sanford police ends. 7:16:00 - 7:16:59 — Martin's call from the girl goes dead during this minute. 7:16:11 — First 911 call from witness about a fight, calls for help heard. 7:16:55 — Gunshot heard on 911 call. Following the shooting: 7:17 — Officer T. Smith (first there) arrives in squad car at Retreat View. 7:17:40+ — Officer Smith arrives at crime scene. ************************************************************************************************** According to this, GZ agrees to back off at 7:11:59. At 7:13:41, there still hasn’t been any contact. At some point between 7:13:41 and 7:16:11, the girl on the phone with TM hears someone ask him “What are you doing?” and TM responds “Why are you following me?”. The fight breaks out, and TM is shot at 07:16:55. Police arrive less than a minute later. The fight happened 80 yards from GZs truck. So if GZ broke off pursuit at 7:12 and returned to his truck, why was he still almost a football field away from it 4 minutes later? I don’t think he was still chasing TM, who he says he lost. But he probably was still standing around outside the truck, surveying the scene like a dummy until the actual police arrived. I don’t think Zimmerman murdered Martin, nor that he had that intention at any time. But he did negligently/recklessly create a situation where lives- his, Martin’s and others in the neighborhood- where put in danger. And in fact, his dumb, fake-hero sh1t cost a (gold tooth wearing, pot smoking, bird flipping) 17 year old kid his life. Murder? Nope. Negligent manslaughter? Probably yes. Not to mention that he’s costing taxpayers a ton of money, has given the antis a poster child for their fantasies about all of us being a bunch of wannabe, vigilante idiots and as a bonus, because none of this is black and white (no pun intended) we get to have a contentious trial that will further divide people along racial lines. ugh.

GZ might have been within the law, but he's definitely an idiot, wannabe who should've backed off when the police dispatcher told him to. I doubt anyone here in, put in that position, would've just stood around answering to some neighborhood watch clown.

So, you're unarmed, on foot, at night. Some guy you don't knows starts following you around in a car, gets out and approaches- what do you do? As far as I'm concerned, at that point any indication of aggression, verbal or physical, requires a response. In NJ, of course, you'd have to retreat. In Florida, you might be better off standing your ground. That's what TM did. Unfortuantely for everyone involved, it ended with a body and a defendant. Doubt it. More likely, if a firearm wasn't present, GZ would never have initiated this whole mess.

Gold teeth! Obscene gestures! Pot! A picture of a handgun, and in Florida of all places! What a menace...

Really wasn't complaining, just sharing my experience. If still lived in the area, I would probably sign up for a membership at WP. And yeah, I've seen RTSP's booklet, lol.