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Yet another example of our thinking, mindful Police...I am sure he is saying to himself "I was just following orders" ie the book... Discracefull!

Music is a reflection of society, or perhaps, vis versa...The change from the 60's to "now" is dramatic, albiet we are taking 50 years. Still, perhapes as big a jump as ever in musical change over that legnth of time. What does this say to you? 1960's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD0166KpAhs I was about 10 years old then but all the memories of the 60's are vivid. Now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAiUgFCHI4s

My Cat wounds them from time to time...On 2 occaisions, I went to get a plastic bag and they were gone in just a few mins when i returned. Meaning they survived. I never found the bodies of these two so they may have made it...Don't get me wrong, my Cat has killed many others which of course sadens me (she was semi-ferrel when I rescued her 5 years ago, guss she still has that drive).

Hey Buddy, That would be a scary sight - you wouldn't even have to waste ammo - the SB would be gone ;-).

I mean seriously, would you want these guys comming to your house in the middle of the night?

I honestly am not following your points especially your first paragraph as I do have a problem with their entry...My first post did stipulate that (if) the article is "true" if that helps...If it is true information I have a problem with what the Cops did on all points: Breaking/Entry without a warrent Murdering the dog(s) Excessive force Beating on the inocent bystandars And just being Stupid at best (or intentionally vicious at worst). As mentioned above, if the young-man had a HD weopon, we might be talking about a Cop shooting a person also. With Cops like this running around, I'd take my chances without them.

Ditto, that is a big part of it...this administration are masters at it.

What if the poor SOB Innocent bystander had a gun on his nightstand like many here do...Grab it out of natural insticts - the Cops would have blown him away...OOOOOOOooooppppppppppssssssssss! -All in a days work! It could happen to anyone of us, and is one of the reasons PD precesses, M&Ps, and training should be talked about (alot).

What are you freakin-kidding!...They could have easily retreated...Why shoot the freaking dogs man...You and I both know the answer to that. Great, break into some innocent bystandar's house, shoot their dogs, throw the people on the ground, drag um, cuff em. -All in a day's work. Another case of Cops-Gone-Wild...A Merry Band of Bungelers.

Interesting thoughts...I have to say, I have no "hate/anger/bias" in me at this point in my life, mostly because of the life-threating challanges I've faced and turning to the Holly Spirit. I've never had any kind of bias of the nature you imply above. I have a long-life of having a racial nutral view of life, both growing up, and in the Navy where many of my closet friends were of all different racial backgrounds - and we didn't even notice it. We were Brothers with a task at hand. I think what troubles our county at this time, is the hypocracy of some of our leaders. Publically speaking out in behalf of some segments of society, but not others. In essence they are creating segmentation and seperation of Americans. They obviously have a motive for this. Until this stops, until there is more preceved value in identifying oneself as an American (and not a hyphinated American), it will be difficult to get to a true oneness of socity.

If this story is true (IF) the two cops should be locked up for a long time...Of course, if it is true, that would never happen, at most they would get a slap on the wrist. Society too often has a way to excuse Cops-Gone-Wild....If it is true, then it supports many of the notions discussed above.

I had an eye opener yesterday...I live in a good neighborhood so far... I was typing on my pc, door open, summer screen door...Some lady starts coming in my house asking for So and so by name...She had her hand on the screen door handle ready to come in...I said loudly and firmly "You have the wrong house" and she turned around... If it was a SB or multiple SBs they coud have been on me in a second or two...No time to go fetch your weopon. It is either on you or next to you or it may be too late... Just food for thought.

Looks like we may be back to the "best" HD weopon discussion again...Certainly a BAR, or SG, or M1A, or AR would have been of great use here, but if it ain't on you or right next to you at moment of impact it ain't going to do you much good... Given this reality, who is willing to carry a rifle/carbine around with them all day or at least move it from room to room? (I guess you can go with the deposite in multiple spots approach - but still, no guraentee that you will be close enough at the moment of impact, or in some circumstances the SB finds your stash and uses itto their benefit). I prefere a pistol (or more than one) because of its portability. I have done lots and lots of research - mostly from combat veterin stories - and given I prefere a pistol - 45 acp is the way to go. This round gives a very high probability of stopping the SB with one shot (note I did not say guraentee). Any round is better than no gun, so whatever works for you. But the 45 IMHO gives you the sweet spot btwn portability and firepower. -You can run 13 r 45 acp in an XDs-Competition; or 10 rounds in a 1911. At CQB range this is a very effective weopon...(And HE, don't forget your machette as back-up ;-)).

Where are the 3 Stooges now: Oboma, Jackson, Sharpton....Oh yea, wasn't there a fourth Stooger later? That would be Holder.

Well put and "pithy" (if that is how it is spelled ;-)).

For murder, intentional, 16 is plenty old to be responsible...IMHO, keeping him in till he is 60 years old would be much more appropriate.

Is this poll part of the Dumming-Down of America?

Anyone justifying/excusing shooting inocent bystanders because the guy went through grief, or for any reason, should give up reloading - you might have some led poising issues.

There is so much miss-information about hollow points...See my link above, print it, carry it in your range bag.

Well put; this was what I was saying above...You said it even better...It is moot unless you have a Carry.

I'll take my chances with the NJSP instructions...Lets face it, everything is subject to interpretation when it comes to law (and most things in life BTW) - so keep a good lawyers card at the ready.

Some Cops, some firearms dealers (I met one), and some gun owners don't know the law...See my post above and carry a printout with you whenever you are using HPs to/from/at the range...Not sure WTH "baned" means which some are saying above...If you do what most legal shooters do in NJ with them you are fine.

You can buy'em, you can take um home, you can take it to a registered range, you can shoot em... Related Links Firearms Information Provided certain conditions are met, a sportsman may transport and use hollow point ammunition. There are no restrictions preventing a sportsman from keeping such ammunition at his home. N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that: (2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)]. Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ." N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1). Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows: 1.A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police; 2.A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State; 3.A person going directly to a target range, and; 4.A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions."

OP link is very ambiguous - what else was he doing? Did he have a FID? Was the amo not locked up in car or trunk?...HP is legal as long as you follow the rules. carry a copy of this when you go to the range: http://www.njsp.org/about/fire_hollow.html

No wonder they call you "Walt Disney" ;-)... Hey I have a little quiz on the Viking era for you and SGTToadet as you guys seem to like to discuss this sort of stuff.... Q: So trade routes between Scandinaver and Europe and the Baltics existing for many centries before the Viking Era (so there was plenty of interaction btwn all these regions). What was the single most important factor which enabled the Scandinavians/Vikings to assert thier reginal/global dominance for hundresds of years staring around 750-790?