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Cool..Welocom to the "Force"...Would you mind sharing what induced you to make the conversion, and how your belief system changed?

Does anyone know anyone that was converted from Anti to Pro? (seems a very-low probability event to me). Does anyone know anyone "nutral" who was converted to Pro? (probably rare also - just not as rare as above). I believe, the one major thing that can convert either of the above with a decent probability is if the person in either group was muged, beat-up, raped, or had a similiar event (or know someone very close to them who did)... I've found that usually, people's beliefs are ingrained and it takes a life changing event (e.g., above) to get them to change. I think it is largley a waste of time to try to convert peoples ingrained beliefs (you see it on the NJGF all the time ;-)). And even worse to ask nicely for your rights. Rights have to be demanded.

I agree with you Shawn...It is child phycology really. If you are getting more attention than them they throw a tantrum with the "nasty". Many of us have had it out with "them"...They probably don't even know that they have this emotional reaction :-)...Hang in there and don't look for any "approvals" with this selected few.

Up to you Bro - just trying to help...You may want to direct your anger at the Great State of NJ rather than SG though ;-).

Not me, one of them is sitting in my inbox...Must be Big-Brother.

Wow, is it me or did 6 or so of the last posts in this thread disapear?

There is amo on line all over the place...It will cost you of course... Start with Sportsman's Guide.....They have a four month pay plan for over $150 :-)...Join thier buyers club and get a few bucks off/box. They send cupons too from time to time....Fast delivery (take the 1$ no Bull insurance).

+10 to the OP who must be relativily young (if his grandparents were in Korea - heck my Dad was in WW2) for posting this thread. Glad to see respect for the Vets.

+1...I don't agree with the Chief's World Wrestling style but I respect him for putting his job on the line for something he believes in. Which is much more than most Cops in NJ have done...And don't forget this: http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/05/16491-2nd-amendment-supporter-thrown-out-of-n-j-meeting-by-police-after-criticizing-gun-control/ I also agree that the "please don't take my ability to protect myself" attitude is foolish...People need to demand their rights: By being load and doing it often - legally of course (the profanity isn't necesary). We live in a society where only the fighters get what they want...Some of the same folks on this fourum bad-mouth Wayne L. for his direct, open, approach after CN - and they were proven wrong.

Speaking of hypotheticals, and a line that one may not cross, I'd like to know if they ban ARs, or limit your guns to say 5 round mags, or pass any other significant anti law either nationally (unlikely) or in NJ (still TBD - especially if we get a Liberal Governer some day), would the Police-Professionals here enforce these laws against private citizans in NJ? (This is certainly related to this discussion beacuse if nothing else, disarming citizens - even incrementally, makes the police that much more militaristic compared to the lower level of civilian capability).

For those who oppose the "militarization" of police agencies, assume that in the next couple months a ballot initiative asks residents of your municipality to vote on whether or not you would approve of issuing all patrol officers in your area with level III armor plates and 5.56 rifles. Would you vote to allow it or deny it? Assume cost isn't a factor. I'd have to think about it more, but my going in position is as long as I can legally have them I am generally OK with it....My starting view is if the cops need this stuff I may too.

There is certainly at least some truth to this - esp. NJ...I wonder if the rise in the police state (no matter how far along the curve we may be) is tied to the rise of socializm here and around the globe? Certainly we would all agree that living "free" is becoming incremently more difficult as every year goes by. We can argue the magnitude, but I think most here would agree about the direction. So is there a conection BTWN the two?

Go to amotheropy.com for your phobia... What are you kidding?

Or which 1911 to buy (cheeze almost every week ;-)). - You did the right thing Bro...That is one of the reasons this country has gone down the shiter, people being afriad to do the right thing, and speak out!

Good for you for doing the right think; Said for our system where being robed is BAU and not an emergancy.

PS, If my hired pro - doctor, lawyer, etc. dosn't like my questions - I hire another one...We can't do that with PD. In essence PDs are a goverment monopoly (not saying there is a better way necessarily) - but with all monopolies, there is a high probability of abuse, and a higher need for scrutany.

I empathize with your fustration...BUT, Whenever I have critical decisions with any of the "pros" you mentioned (esp. Doctors) I absolutly DO "cross examine" their process, their reasons, and thier decisions...Any responsible consumer should do this...Cops are right up their with surgeons as far as the possibility of doing harm to folks when it isn't necesiarily warrented. Lets face it, Cops operate on the edge of "deadly-force" at least on ocasion...The scrutany is more than warrented - consider it part of being a public servant.

Here is a true story which is a great metaphore for some of the themes didcussed above: A close friend of mine was pulled over while driving recently for speaking on his cell phone - no other trafic violation (find a law to be broken to fit every citizen); the Officer let him go without a ticket when he showed the Officer his PBA card (the elite "police-class" withs special privilages). Everyone on this board LEO/civilian alike knows this goes on all the time.

Everyone wants a strong, highly trained PD, but it needs to be extreemly balanced with ethical behavior, extreem visiblity, airing on the side of not pointing a gun at a civy unless fully warented...My experiences with Cops has been largely very good. I had one experience maybe 15 years ago when I got pulled over on the NJ parkway in toms river and the your wise-ass cop was trying to pick a fight with me - nasty. A few years later a bunch of them from that area were in trouble for some sort of abusive behavior. There seems to be more stories lately of cops pointing guns at people for no good reason - some posted on this forum. Maybe the cops are watching too many cop shows - I don't know...I personally do not want a gun pointed at me for a traffic violation, or any other half-ass reason...I don't have any hard data on this, but watching the real-life Cop shows (the ones where they video a real cop during the day) I too often see a gun pointed at someone for things like prostitution, smoking pot, etc. -I cetainly don't condone any of these activities but it is an eye-opener when cops go right-up to the edge of deadly force... When a government agancy and its agents literally have life and death power over citizens, it needs to be watched 24X7. Cameras, internal affairs, other watch-gropus, etc. The few % bad apples need to weeded out. I think if any cop has an issue with being watched they should find another profession. As cops they get responsibilities and privilages (eg carry permit) well beyond ordinary citizens. With that goes (or should) the extra scrutany. On a final note, in the wide spectrum of choices as to what civilians should be allowed to arm themselves with. My starting view is that everything your local police has you should be able to legally have. That is balance. After-all, if the cops need it to protect them selves - I might too.

I am very, very impressed with this Wise-Ladies words (I agree with at lease 80% of what she wrote - link below)... I especially like this: "For the record, Acts 17:26 teaches that there is one blood and one human race, not multiple races, so racism is based on a lie!"..... Let's be honest with each other, until ALL Americans STOP identifying themselves as this or that race, we will always be stuck in the racial quagmire. The only identification should be "I am an American"...Of course our wacky government dosn't help this situation when every time you deal with them they ask you to check a "race" box....Yea, I think of my ethnic background - but only, and I mean only, when I am deciding what I want for diner. She also goes on to talk about the race batters, the hypocricy of the media, and the blindness of our society to look at the bigger problems - ie the mass murders in Chicago, abortion clinics etc. Very powerful words - I think you will enjoy. http://www.christianpost.com/news/civil-rights-leader-grieved-over-strife-surrounding-zimmerman-verdict-100133/

Hey Ken, Glad to see your still "around" I sent you a few PMs a few months back...Let me know when you want to do an M1A shoot - even if it is in September... As for me I hate humidity too... I did a 1911 pistol 3-steel target shoot last saturday in a 25y pit at CJR&P, it was so freakin humid...My shooting glasses would fog up by the 7 round in the 10 r mags I run. So between every mag, had to take the glasses off to let the fog disapate, wipe off the ear protectors, and wipe off my head with a towel...Even with that though, still more fun then shooting indoors (which of course is fun also).

Good luck, welcom to the 45 club..Best PD round on the planet...Battle proven...

I get that, but, WTH does this mean?:(Retreat required if actor knows he can avoid necessity of deadly force in complete safety, etc.

From Wiki our castle law: New Jersey (Retreat required if actor knows he can avoid necessity of deadly force in complete safety, etc. EXCEPT not obliged to retreat from dwelling, unless the initial aggressor). Not exactly sure WTF it means.

Good info...I think alot of the stuff about what guns are more reliabale or not are "old wives tales"...As I stated above, I have found 1911s no better or worse then "plastic-pistols" once you take care of the magazine choice (I have a decent size sample of both types 1911/plastic)...Also, another antidodal eveidence point, I met one of the Police Captain from my township last week, for some adminitrative business. He walked in my house with his uniform and S.A. 1911 chambered in 45 acp in his holster. So both of us being 1911 guys we had a good conversation...He controlls the firarm choices for the cops around here. He says he mandates 45 acp but gives the potrol-guys a choice of platform/gun. Many on his force choose 1911s.