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Interesting spin on the Viking thing...Agree with part 1: Relegious organizations are very much about control, but unfortunatly, our species needs alot of moral control (as discussed above) and religion is an effective (usually) way to accomplish this...Part 2: Not so much: Extending the Viking thing to gun control is rather, hum, rediculous - you are impliying Gun Owners are murders, extortionists, deal in slave trade, terrioriest. This is what the Vikings did as literally a Business - it is not the "Romanic" (genra, not as in love) image you get from the Viking Movies like Tony and Kirt in the movie "The Vikings". One of my favorite movie of all time BTW...Sosh-up, don't give the Anti's the idea that we have the same morals as the Vikings - good grief! (I enjoyed your idea though :-)) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFes1Rl2l0Q

Cmon, Vlad, it is just a little rediculous for everyone (in every circumstance) to just pick-up and leave NJ. We are all proud of you, you got Balls and all that, but you are framing this in a gross oversimplification... That said, when they legislate 1 round per magazine in NJ I AM Leaving. I really, really, really, mean it!!! (or keep 7 pistols ready with 1 round each ;-)).

LOL, we were getting off track as per the reason for this thread anyway....As for "feel better" - nah, no feeling involved...Like I've posted, there is no changing deep-ingrained beliefs, takes a life changing experience for that. -This is just some mild mental entertainment.

Good way to end a discussion when you run out of counterpoints :-), but I do not see it applying in this case.

"Good point" above is for gunguys post...(ryan beat me to the "post" :-)).

Good point ^^^^. I'd add that the fact that the shooter is a Cop has absolutly nothing to do with this case.... If anything it will work against him, he should have known better not to get out of the car.

please insert "processes" after the smile face above. My bad!

Not sure I would agree with your total premise. I believe good heated debate about a critical issue like this is very good; as long as it is done in a respectful maner, IMHO. The main issue here is how the PD as a government monopoly and beurocracy has these gross (meaning sweeping broad, not as in wanting to throw-up :-)) that shouldn't be applied without careful thought and restraint. See the Baby Fawn example above - a kind of funny one, but there are many other serious examples of civilians being harmed and killed because of bad PD proceesses (and bad judgement by individual cops). With such monopolistic powers of PD and literally life and death decisions they make from time to time, we have to constantly examine debate, modify their methods and procedures...This is not a reflection of any Cop on the NJGF. Cheeze, as a gun owner and knowing the fights that are on-going to keep our rights, don't you realize that one of the demensions of this fight is the balance of power btwn gov't and civilians? Who do you think are the agents of the govt who will inforce Gov't power? You got it, the PD!...This is reason enough to debate it here.

Funny and sad at the same time thx for posting.

Not really. True christian ethos is the followings of Christ (not necessairilly any religious organization's "version" of Christ)...If you study the new testimate, you would see there is exactly Zero ovelap btwn the worrior ethos and the Christian Ethos. If you are talking about the Crusades (ie. an event induced by religious ORGANIZATIONs on both sides) there is some finite overlap. But to make any moral equivancy btwn Crusaders and Vikings is quite an incredable streatch.

I'll stick with the historic I'll stick with the historic part of your post...(No point in discussing peoples beliefs - that usually requires a life changing event to create change). As far as the Vikings, the integration in society was important (the course makes this apparent) but Christianity was a big-part of this integration. A common God, a common set of beliefs, a comon acceptable way of conducting yourself...The Vikings went from a Warrior Ethos, to a largly Christian ethos (with all the human faults we christians have of course). There is no doubt, IMHO, that this change was for the good (see above as to what Warrior Ethos ment in my post above - it wasn't pretty).

never mind i missread your post - many appologies!

When the spelling police (or facsimiles) start posting you know we are very close to the end of thoughtful posts on the thread ;-).

You brought up a positive societal change to make a point that some chages are good.I agree, some changes are good and provided an even more important examle of such. Not really sure though what the good changes of the past have to do with this thread per se. (but the "Vikings" DVD from the Great Courses is really, really interesting ;-).

Even a much bigger positive societal change, much bigger, was the coversion of the Vikings to Christianity...An amazing transition that took several hundred of years...If you read about how savage the Vikings were you would understand how important this transition was. Just as amazing, and one thing I didn't know, was how much of a global influence the Vikings had: Slave-trade, piracy, terrorism, hostagees, murder, piliage, etc - All over Europe, and into Asia, and the America's....Quite a transition! http://www.thegreatcourses.com/tgc/courses/course_detail.aspx?cid=3910 Unfortunatly, we are talking about a rather negative societal change today.

It goes well beyond teenagers: Alex Rodrigus NY yank is a lier and cheet.... Wiener is a pervert and running for Mayor of the biggist city in USA... Turn the TV on - 80% of what on is helping dumb down the society. Our President is a fony belonie guy of an extreem magnitude. The Socialist have infected society making excuses for there special intest groups, legalizing drugs, supporting abortion. Shall I go on? Society's values have changed. We need to get back to basics: Spirituality, maners, responsibility, honor, and Marksmanship!

Kinda a silly question there are so so many choices out there....If Oboma threatened to tax me if I didn't answer, I would have to go with the truly great stars of Combat which were truly revelutionary weopons: of course the Colt 1911 in 45 acp (or mfr of your choice); and the M1 Garand....there are many others of course but these are on top.

That is pretty sad what this has come to...Too many swat TV shows glorifying aggressiveness...I watch the real-life "Cops" shows often where they video cops in their daily choors...Too often, IMHO, I see them over aggressive, sometimes pointing their guns, at these skinning pot smoking teanagers. It is pathetic. Sometimes prostitutes and their johns too....I am totally aginst pot smoking, but if this is all these cops have to do is bust teenagers for nickle and dime bags with several either overwight, or muscle-bound cops often in swat gear, something is wrong with this picture...I'd have more respect if they were going after the major drug dealers, etc. That would be a much better use of resources IMHO, and has a higher chance of making a difference. I am starting to think they should raise the bar much higher for hiring cops...At least a bacholors degree (I understand that some towns do this), and at least 30 years of age...No guarenteed of course, but education and age (generally) lead to increased wisdom. Cheeze, i wouldn't want anyone putting their hand on their gun because I am asking them for directions!

Never ever get out of your car during a road rage incident - it never ends well... Only exception of course is if staying in your car puts you at further risk... If the the guy who was shot wasn't holding a weopon (bat, tire iron, gun), the shooter is probably toast. I don't know the details but on the face of it, you can't shoot someone cause he is walking towards you after you got out of the car if the guy had no weopon. This will probably being considered "mutualcombat"...If the shooter stayed in the car and felt his life was threatened (by the other guy, say banging a brick on the winshield, then it may have been a legal shoot). Of course it is much more complicated than this but this is my initial view. Possibly another case of Cops-Gone-Wild.

Captains Inn is a dump anyway so they aren't missing anything. Still, it is an outrage! Maybe Fox will air it.

The frame of mind reflected by these slogans are appauling....It is a reflection of the notion of a "police-class'...Luckuly, I believe most Police are good people.

In that case you may no longer be qualified to be a NJGF administrator as you can't really, really, empathise and feel our pain anymore! ;-)

I agree that your first paragraph is the likely outcome...Which is unfortunate for us. I am all for us damanding our freedoms and being agressive about it...I certainly try to do my part by large NRA donations and many, many calls and letters...As an honest citizen, a USN Veteren, I am outraged and offended over this, and have used these words in every letter.

It may come to that if they legislate 1 round per-Mag :-).

^^^^^ Agree, but it will come down to what your Local PD does...I keep asking what the Police-Pro's on NJGF will do when it come to comply/not-comply/enforce/not-enforce time, but have not got an answer from even one. (Because it could come to this esp in NJ soon).