Combat Auto

Just look how TV glamorizes with all the "swat" type shows...They are the mordern day gladiators...The fact that the dip-shit in this article pointed his gun at the home owner is outragous!

Not my job to defend the 1911's but i have 3 of them, and they are fantastic shooters...I have a Kimber Team match 2 with about 1000 flawless rounds on her...And it is hard to argue with an all steel pistol and a 5" barrel. I would agree they are a little more tempermental than some other pistols. The magazine is the week-link, and does require some TLC in maintenace, choice of manufacturer, etc......That said, I also like my XDM-competition with a 5.3 inch barrel and 13 rounds of 45 acp. Not all steel, but with the extra weight of the surfire 400 L/L sitting under her noise it makes a great HD weopon.... Overall, I have found that 1911s are no better or worse reliable than other semi-auto-pistols (once you take care of the magazing dimension)...

OP, you really need to answer the question of which bullet to use first (uh oh! another debate!)...Then you can answer the pistol question... There is no other pistol round with the extensive proven track record in war (does this qualify as "fighting"? ;-)) as the 45 acp... What you want to shoot it out of is more of a personal tast thing... For me it is the Wilson Combat Tactical Elite. I have shot a host of 45 cal pistols and this stands alone in it's ability in shot-to-shot recovery. It is non compensated but has a heavy flanged barrel putting the extra wieght right out there on the tip of the gun...I would think a compensated 45 would do the same thing (i've never shot one), but compensators have other issue like muzzle flash.

OP, you should use what you shoot well...i shoot 1911 extreemly well and do use them for hd...i also use the sa-xd line for hd...why? becase they have a similiar feel to 1911 (not exact, but close) minus the manual safty...For this same reason, I just sold my Beretta PX4, which has a totaly different feel from a 1911 (it has a FAT hand-grip which I do not like; and the DA/SA crap whic I do not like anymore)...So, I have two pistol platforms now 1911 and XD which have a similiar feel and both of which I shoot well... Whan the Zombies act-up (or any other reason why I may need to hightenn security, eg a power failure at night), I break out my 870 w/light/laser.... BTW, StoneColdxxx, the AR HD think has been discussed before, and don't let anyone tell you what is BEST (not even High Exposure - Hi HE! :-)), it is a very individual thing based on what a person trains with, the risk profile of their life/neighborhood, convienence, personal beliefs, etc. ---Good arguments cane be made for hand-gun, SG, or AR as the main HD platform.

Clarification: The "animal" within all of us, not just cops per se.

I think the vast majority of Cops are uppstanding dedicated people...But it is the bad apples like this that should make everyone question Cops every action...When individuals, with arguable not enough training, have life and death power over citizans, they most be watched day and night (figuratively), cross-examined, video taped etc. Unfortunatly, power has the ability to corrupt, and create huge egos, that MUST be kept in check. Cops are no different than anyone else in this regard, except that they are given life and death power with relatively little training and cetainly well befor the wisdom of years can tame the animal.

i'm in - first steel match --- (i have done 4 uspsa matches.)

Or if you grew up in a rough neighborhood...I saw my older brother and his friend get jumped by a gange of kids...My brother got off easy with a few punches to the face, his friend was held by two others and the a third person broke his nose with a baseball bat...I was 12 years old at the time. And there was plenty more violance in the nieghborhood in the years to come...Not afganistan, but it leaves a big impression and the knowledge of knowing of what people are capable of...I bring this up because there are many out there who have never seen any violance up close and have no clue what the human species is capable of...I have many friends - "professional" types that live in Condition: La-La-Land when it comes to this (many of these people can't understand why you need a gun for HD)...Good luck with your peper-spray Mr and Ms La-La!

Keep at it with your recovery; you'll be out there soon!

Thanks Mikey, so sounds like I can shoot a semi-custom 1911 w/iron sights in the centerfire pistol class?

been shooting uspsa, want to try steel this month...I am only allowed out of the house 1/month ;-) for such things. Questions: Are there different divisions? What gear do I need? #Mags, holster, rounds? What is the "real" time I need to register? How much $$$ for the match if I am a CJR&P memeber? Anthing else I need to know about? Thanks,

Wilson Combat 1911 tactical elite with 10 round single-stack mag...Best shooting 45 acp auto pistol you can get (short of full custom maybee)...Accurate, exceptional shot-to-shot recovery (this is a big deal for a 45 - and I wouldn't use a lesser round for combat), wilson reliability. http://wilsoncombat.com/new/handgun-tactical-elite.asp

I agree with what you say, and I think more good behavior is a good thing. BUT, I do not see the "rules" of respect being applied in an even manner - just IMHO (so in this scense, I think the Mods have more HW to do)...I do think most folks here show respect for other; I also see a small handful of folks, that do not. I have no problem with these Clowns, I can give as good as I take. But, when the Clowns start the inflamitory remaks, most people will react in a like maner (and I do not blame them), then usually the posts get derailed. -Then it becomes a very unproductive converation.......I certainly do (not) know anything about the On-Line-Forum business, but a 1% participation rate (vs all visitors) sounds low to me. And I would guess Max makes more $$$ from ads or whatever based on visitors and participation rate. I am also guessing that the low participation rate may be due to some of the nastyness shown by the forementioned Clowns...(As an aside, my frame of reference are some of the other gun-forums I frequent: e.g., 1911, M1a. XD-talk. I just don't see the level (not even close) of "disrespect" (for lack of a better word) which shows up on the NJGF frequently...Just IMHO.

Priceless! :-)

You should author a book: Zen and the Art of Internet Forum Surfing ;-)... Seriously, thanks for the good advise...Your a Good Man!

Honestly Behunted, I used to post on the NJGF alot when I first joined, but over the months the nasty remarks led me to other boards usually. It becomes very non-productive when this stuff starts...1911 forum - a great group of people; M1A forum ditto...There are mostly great people here too, but the few Yahoos make it a less that optimom enviornment. Not sure if it a "jersey" thing (the other sights I mentioned are national), or the fact that it is OK to use some of the inflamitory remaks that I cut from the other guys post above...I trully believe what I suggested to the moderator above.

No worries Bunted, I am done with this line of discussion...Just wanted to understand what the rules are, the values of the forum are, and what is OK to say to each other...Very enlightening actually.

No, but just think what would happen if everyone used a similiar launguage..."bullshit"; "your statements are dumb"; "irresponsible posting"....Wouldn't be a productive place to participate - would it? -Hum, maybe that is why participation rate is so low (vs actual visitors)....Just trying to give some feedback...A more resectful atmosphere would lead to more participation I would think...You may want to do some polling on this if you havn't already.

I guess we have a different value system...Or it is just a cop-out... Nevertheless, either way, this sort of stuff will continue on the forum if you don't recognize it for what its is... No matter to me, just trying to underatand what the value system is....

Really? So in your mind these are not inflamitory? "But you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The above statement is the dumbest thing I have ever read regarding HD/CQB on the internets". "It is calling the bull$hit that you posted bull$shit." "This is exactly the kind of irresponsible posting that I am talking about."

NP - you were threading a fine-line with your "punctuation"...The new paragraph before "Take Combat Auto.." makes all the difference. And I agree, we did have a discussion without the disrespect - that is how it should be - wheather or not there is agreement.... I hope you can answer my first post to this thread though, about someone elses inflamitory remarks.

I mean this is really, really ironic, Vlad posts the rules of respect and then starts the inflamitory remarks...Great example Vlad! Keep up the good work - Mr. Role Model! :-)

Well this is really sad Vlad...You suppose to be respectful, and balanced, and you equate me to a cocky dbag...Just cause I have a different view then you...And I never said your view was bad/wrong....You just lost all my respect Bro - you are acting like quite the hipocrite...And I hope you have the honesty to answer my post above about the inflamitory remarks..

No idea what this post means...And youd be well served to change your avitar ;-).

Mr Behunted, good to hear from you you Salty-Dog ;-), and you give me great words of advise...I have no issues with the other person's view in the SG thread, it was the inflamitory comments...I didn't report the person or anything - but as long as Vlad started this thread, with the theme of a certain level of respect for each other, I thought I'd bring it up...I think you know from my post I am one of the most respectful people around, but I grew up in a neighborhood where if you get punched - you punched back ;-)...So I called out that person... For this thread, I really want to understand how these "rules of respect" work...Those were some pretty inflamatory comments by the person I mentioned. Just wondering if respect rules applies to everyone, or if some people are exempt....Because, I truly think this could be an (even) better forum if some of these Yahoos (your descriptions are even better :-)) where kept in check...I just saw the participation vs visitor statistics Max posted - I think more respect would lead to more participation....I hope Vlad response to my post above. BTW, Max, if you are reading this I think you do a great job...You certainly have your hands full! :-).