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First I am a very big supporter of getting training and staying trained. That being said I don't think this is as easy as everyone makes it out to be. If a women is home alone with absolutely no defense but a baseball bat (which could be used against her) I would think she should take her chances of using a gun to stop from being raped or killed even if she had no training. Heck just pointing a gun with a laser on it might be enough to deter a criminal. The point of my question was to see which firearm would be better in this situation. I don't think the analogy to driving is quite the same. If my life depended upon escaping with no other alternatives I would try flying an airplane. Unfortunately guns have become so stigmatized that some people will not be comfortable even trying.

I'd like to thank everyone for their help. Although laudable, training is not going to happen. I doubt she will even apply for a FPID so this discussion was more for me to know if this would even be practical. She already carries pepper spray so I guess I won't push any further at least at this point. I will very gently try to get her to try shooting but I doubt I will be successful. Thanks all.

I am looking for a gun that would be usable by a small adult female in a self defense situation. The person has has absolutely no experience with firearms and will not be getting any experience. I know that normally I would say don't even think about using a firearm in this situation but if someone is breaking into her house in the middle of the night, having a gun with no training might be better than not having any gun (this is obviously debatable). So given the premise which type of gun would be easiest and simplest for this person to have? I was thinking of the following: A semi-auto pistol but they might have issues knowing how to hold it to allow it to function properly. And if it malfunctioned they would have no idea how to clear it. Yet most of the time it would function properly so this might be OK. A revolver might be more fool proof but the long heavier trigger pull might be an issue for a first time user (keeping it steady and aimed during the trigger pull). Incorrectly holding the revolver could be dangerous (for example putting their hand around the cylinder gap). Something in 9 mm might be optimal but I also wonder if the lower recoil from a similarly sized handgun in .380 or 38 special might be easier to handle (along with the reduced noise). A shotgun might be simpler to shoulder and aim. Maybe a .410 which would have the least recoil and noise. I doubt that a novice would know how to rack a pump so I was thinking about a semi-automatic. Reliability might be an issue. Along the lines of the .410 shotgun would something like the S&W Governor be doable (a revolver that takes .410 shot shells)? A shotgun would seem to be a better choice. Would a 9 mm carbine be easier to handle than a shotgun or handgun? I have eliminated anything chambered in .223 as a 9 mm carbine would seem to be lighter and easier to handle and effective enough. On the other end I have eliminated any .22 as too under powered for self defense although it would definitely be the easiest to handle. I am interested in getting opinions on this.

I have key less entry in my car. I have the key in my pocket and I just walk up to open the door. MOST of the time it works. I would never want to trust a smart gun in a life and death situation. The laws will exempt police and that says a lot. I used to watch the TV show Alias. Watch it and you will never own anything that is bio-metric.

10 round magazines and some revolvers.

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IANAL. The requirement is that the license is issued by the state that the school is located in (NJ in our case) and that the license requires that the state verifies that you are qualified to carry the firearm. So the FPID does qualify. "(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;"

Some states issue non-resident carry permits which are recognized by other states. For example Virginia requires (among other methods): "Completing any firearms training or safety course or class, including an electronic, video, or on-line course, conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor." I am not sure about this particular site but it seems you should be able to get a carry permit by completing an online course.

Title 2C - THE NEW JERSEY CODE OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE Section 2C:58-3 - Purchase of firearms. i.Restriction on number of firearms person may purchase. Only one handgun shall be purchased or delivered on each permit and no more than one handgun shall be purchased within any 30-day period, but this limitation shall not apply to: (1)a federal, State or local law enforcement officer or agency purchasing handguns for use by officers in the actual performance of their law enforcement duties;

Remember you don't have to answer questions from the police. Just never lie if you do answer. Not answering is not reasonable cause for anything just be respectful.

Very very promising. So NJ goes into the 21st century screaming and kicking. The NJ legislature is not going to like this. Unfortunately this is only the AG not the courts.

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Doesn't 2c:39-6 deal with only firearms not ammunition?

http://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2013/title-2c/section-2c-39-3 Title 2C - THE NEW JERSEY CODE OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE Section 2C:39-3 - Prohibited weapons and devices f.Dum-dum or body armor penetrating bullets. (1) Any person, other than a law enforcement officer or persons engaged in activities pursuant to subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, who knowingly has in his possession any hollow nose or dum-dum bullet, or ....., is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. g.Exceptions......(2) a. Nothing in subsection f. (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land, .....

I think it might be a little more complicated. You need to have been issued the card but I am not sure you actually have to carry it with you (although I can't see why anyone would not).

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The case that GRIZ referred to was Wickard v. Filburn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111 (1942), was a United States Supreme Court decision that dramatically increased the regulatory power of the federal government. According to Earl M. Maltz, Filburn and other New Deal decisions gave Congress "the authority to regulate private economic activity in a manner near limitless in its purview." This remained the case until United States v. Lopez (1995), which was the first decision in six decades to invalidate a federal statute on the grounds that it exceeded the power of the Congress under the Commerce Clause. The opinion described Wickard v. Filburn as "perhaps the most far reaching example of Commerce Clause authority over intrastate commerce", and judged that it "greatly expanded the authority of Congress beyond what is defined in the Constitution under that Clause". In Lopez, the Court held that while Congress had broad lawmaking authority under the Commerce Clause, the power was limited, and did not extend so far from "commerce" as to authorize the regulation of the carrying of handguns, especially when there was no evidence that carrying them affected the economy on a massive scale.

As long as you have your FPID you are OK under federal law. NJ is OK as long as you are not on school property (not the 1000' rule). And if you don't have an FPID you need them to be unloaded and in a locked container or locked gun rack under federal law. Pistols have to be unloaded and in a locked container under federal law which is one of the reasons I lock everything up when traveling. Yeah I know call me paranoid (or dumb). And if you are traveling out of state using another states carry permit (using another states reciprocity) then everything has to be unloaded and in a locked container or gun rack under federal law. Given that you probably have no idea when you are going to drive into a school zone it makes carrying very difficult. And each state can enact their own laws on top of the federal law as NJ has. The GFSZA should be repealed as Ron Paul tried on a few occasions.

Was anyone going in not an old lady (or at least going with one of the old ladies)? It might be difficult to infiltrate a meeting like that!

I think that is pretty broadly interpreted. So if the steel or plastic was made in another state you lose. The broadest interpretation says that if you do anything that could affect the price of things in interstate commerce than you lose. So building the gun in NJ could affect the price of guns in the rest of the county.

You can have the unloaded rifle in your hands holding it outside the window (although you might get a moving violation for that if it was considered unsafe driving)

No Flying with Guns http://www.nationalreview.com/article/376076/no-flying-guns-charles-c-w-cooke Unhappily, New York and New Jersey have been helped on their nasty little way by the Third Circuit, which ruled somewhat bizarrely in 2013 that a provision in FOPA that refers only to “vehicles” could not conceivably be held to apply to commercial aircraft. The case was brought by a man named Gregg Revell, a resident of Utah who was arrested by the New Jersey police while on his way to Allentown, Penn. At Newark Airport, Revell missed his connecting flight, necessitating a night’s stay in a hotel. As is standard procedure, he was given back his luggage for the evening and instructed to recheck it the next day. When he attempted to do precisely this, he was arrested — and charged with illegal possession of a firearm.

And this can be a real problem if your return flight gets diverted to JFK or LGA. Do not take possession of the firearm and then take a cab/bus/train/car to NJ.

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Don Kates, the father of the modern Second Amendment revival, has died https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/11/04/don-kates-the-father-of-the-modern-second-amendment-revival-has-died/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_term=.c54f683896c7 Don wrote “Handgun Prohibition and the Original Meaning of the Second Amendment,” 82 Mich. L. Rev. 204 (1983), the first modern article in a major law review arguing for the individual-rights view of the Second Amendment.