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M1 Carbine is perfect... it's BY FAR the funnest gun I have ever shot. Too bad this moronic state still has them on the ban list, dipshits. My 14-year old nephew was LOVING that thing, and it was the 1st time he'd ever shot ANY gun. (that day, he shot the 10/22, the SR22 pistol, and the M1.... in one of the AMERICAN states.)

Yes on all counts. And this "accepting the lesser if two evils" or "at least we didn't get screwed as badly as we could have" attitude is what will sink us all, in the end. It's exactly how they've already gotten all the gun control laws in the books, and this was just another step FORWARD for them. You people can play the political game all you want. In done. It's an UNINFRINGABLE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. Every single gun control law is unconstitutional. I don't care what judges say, they're wrong and writing laws from the bench to fit their political agenda. On this issue, its all or nothing. And for those if you who think that sort of thinking is stupid or short-sighted, YOU have been the problem all along, allowing ever-further encroachment, just "happy they didn't get more than they got." No sir. Not me. It will soon be time for Atlas to shrug.

So Christie did the right thing, after doing the wrong thing. Thank God for small favors, I suppose. I still won't support him for president. His decisions to pass some and not others was carefully thought out political strategy, nothing more. Not based on principle or constitutionality. I'm done supporting politicians with career aspirations. "Politician" was never intended to be a career, and we need term limits across the board, including for all judges. SO...What happened to the "no out-of-state ammo purchases" bill? Still in committee, or...?

Jealous.

yup. naive. And people already reporting on FB that they are running into this roadblock.... for example.... FID denied because as a minor was voluntarily committed and diagnosed with ADD. And this was happening BEFORE the law was signed... this was already in place, classic progressive fascist BS.

Big deal. Lets see him veto the IMPORTANT ones... I'm not holding my breath.

no offense, but..... get that JUNK off that NICE GUN!

Please. they want to listen? Let's give them something to listen to. It's called civil disobedience.

oh, IF ONLY everyone would ACTUALLY do that!!!!

As I stated, "cops" (as in individual cops) aren't out to get people.... they are just "doing their jobs", which come from higher up... as in all the way to DC... and THEY ARE "out to get people".... the time will come when "just doing my (unjust) job" won't be acceptable as an excuse to the people. The people will then feel the need to just "do OUR job" as patriots to the Constitution... and that's when the SHTF. The cops can keep following orders... I just hope they remember, when the time comes, actions have consequences. I think THEY may need to start seriously thinking about picking THEIR battles.

You can bet stuff like this will DECREASE the effectiveness of the mental health situation, since LESS people will seek therapy if they are worried their doctor will do this to them. Ditto for medical doctors- new check-in forms have the question "do you own guns" .... I can't wait to answer that one...

I'm trying to make a similar decision, with Henrys. The 30-30 would be a better caliber if I ever needed to hunt with it, I suppose, but for fun shooting isn't the recoil of the .357 much easier and the ammo cheaper? Fun gun = .357, might hunt with it someday = 30-30

"antique" has nothing to do with it. This whole episode is a classic example of giving up liberty for a little POSSIBLE security. I won't even get into the whole doctor-patient confidentiality thing. Gun owners- ALL of them- need to understand, this isn't about antique weapons, assault rifles, or mental health- it's about confiscation. Period. In the end, they WILL come for yours. First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me. ...first they came for the "machine guns"... ...then they cam for the high-capcity magazines and "assault rifles"... ...then they came for all semi-automatic weapons... ...then they cam for anything holding over 6 rounds... ...then they came for all the handguns... ...then they came for all the long guns that were left...

I don't think these stories are showing the wrong actions of INDIVIDUAL cops, per se... they are showing the wrong actions of the POLICE. As in moving closer to a police state. And I understand they are just "doing their job", but when your "job" requires actions that are constitutionally wrong, that excuse will only go so far... you won't be winning any popularity contests thats for sure. I think LEOs are going to find themselves increasingly in the waters other union members are in- such as teachers for example- where their "organization" (be it their union, their bosses, or whatever) are actually their own worst enemy.

Every time I look at a firearms/police related story, the cops are always in the wrong, or perilously close to it. I'm not bashing cops (which I know is a no-no here), but in 9 out of 10 stories in the last 6 months... if the shoe fits... http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130609/news/706099896/ Arthur Lovi is suing the Arlington Heights police for what he says was an illegal search of his home and seizing of three antique guns, including a double barrel musket that's more than 100 years old.

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TK421, spot-on, as usual.

Short of replacing them, there is none. Leave the state if you can. When the new laws turn you into a criminal, be non-compliant. Time to start preparing for the inevitable in this state. And that's not a defeatist attitude- it's a REALISTIC one. I won't be surprised in the least if every single bill passes. This is the PRNJ after all.

I'm just saying that politicians have made up their mind... no speech, testimony, evidence, or showing of pro-2A people is going to matter... not in this state anyway. The only recourse is to replace them, which of course won't happen in this state either. I'm afraid NJ is down the shithole with regards to 2A. I think it's a runaway train that can't be stopped. I'm not saying give up, I'm saying don't be surprised that despite your best efforts the result will be like you made no effort at all.

PEOPLE, usually, can be reasoned with. POLITICIANS can not. That has become glaringly clear in NJ over the Assembly and Senate hearings.

I'm actually STUNNED at the tally, being that this is PBS: the government's ORIGINAL media arm.

Kangaroo Court- that is exactly right. Which is why I find it puzzling when some of us see the futility in our actions and are called "quitters"... I'm not quitting anything. I'm not quitting buying guns, I'm not quitting buying ammo. I'll keep sending emails and making calls. But to anyone who thinks any of this is making a difference in this state: you're fooling yourself. By the end of the year, most if not all of these bills will go through, with Christie either signing them OR not doing anything, allowing them to simply become law, so he can't take any "official" blame in his future political career, if he doesn't die from a massive heart attack first. This state is a joke. It's about time to live non-compliantly.

Awesome. And realistic. Posted/shared/emailed/etc.

The state of the gun issue in NJ makes me wonder if the time to stop being Dagny Taggert and Henry Reardon (the fighters) and start being John Galt and Francisco d'Anconia (checking out, waiting for the inevitable collapse) has come. And no- that's not quitting, that's preparing for the inevitable and the fight AFTERWORDS. And for those of you who haven't read or watched Atlas Shrugged, you need to. The gun issue isn't the "industrial" control that Atlas Shrugged is- but that's not the point- the point is CONTROL.

I'm originally from Ohio, I could have written the OP myself. It's a little harder to "stand and fight" in the PRNJ, but we must. There is no alternative but to leave, leave it for the vultures.