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more coverage http://www.njtvonline.org/news/video/more-claims-by-second-amendment-society-in-denying-of-handgun-permits-by-police-2/

Help us change this state. Record your station and share the content. I've yet to get one forum member to contribute. I'm available via PM if you need guidance

This is just as much about showing the inconsistency between departments as anything else. Don't get focused on "oh they did my permits "quickly" once" (by their statist standards) You are getting abused. If you get jumped in public, you have no way to protect yourself. You have to help us make it end and stop defending this system.

You guys have Stockholm syndrome. If you want change, no one cares to hear about how you got permits in 30 days (which is absurd that we are pleased with such a thing) Go ask for a carry permit and look at the reaction you get. Go record yourself asking for it. She lied and said it goes straight to the court and they have no say, which isn't true. Each department is inconsistent and further releases will keep showing this The point of this thread is to convince other people to go on and record at their department Is anyone else going to join in and not keep commenting on the videos? Ask the very exact 2 questions I keep citing. Guaranteed to get good content in at least one if not both of them

we need help. Who is going to go into their police station today and record themselves asking these two questions 1. How long is the wait currently for a purchase permit? 2. Can I apply for a concealed carry permit for self defense? we need these immediately and crowdsourced. everyone needs to do their part. PM me if you need help or have questions

VIDEO 3 RELEASED Edison NJ directly contradicting what Orange NJ told us, even though even Edison still has the process wrong try not to lose control of your blood pressure when she yells "FOR SELF DEFENSE??!?!?"

I'm the reason these videos exist to begin with, have many other examples on the way, and working on new ones as I speak. I need the help of everyone else in this community to do the same. Other towns are coming besides orange We are sharing these videos, endless discussions on the forums of people complaining --what we need is action. If you guys aren't willing to go out and film and share the footage so we can edit and distribute, at least communicate this mission to people outside the forums. Help us help the movement

You don't have to live in The town. Anyone can ask those two questions. No harm In doing that, all that matters is it's recorded

He doesn't need to do anything. Stick an iPhone backwards in your front shirt pocked on airplane mode recording video, walk up to window and ask these simple two questions and walk out: 1. How long is the current wait for a firearms permit? (They will say 6 months, 3 months, however long we need, I don't know we are backed up---whatever they say, you win because they will never say "2 weeks") 2. That sounds good. May I please H ave all the necessary forms to begin my application? It's a win win. Any answer they give will look bad for them. To the first question, they are going to be gruff and say some inflated number to discourage you from starting. To the second question, they will likely tell you you have to come back during their "firearms hours " or "the guy who processes them isn't here" Win-win. No lawyers, no bullshit. Upload and sent to NJ2AS. Then we attack. We need this, times 1000

Tell him to go back once more, except this time record it. If there is no video, it never happened. And we have no right to complain if we can't show that this actually exists. The govt hides behind the fact that we can apply but we have to show we essentially cannot. Everyone must record record record. Then upload

You are the very small minority. Most of my friends in various towns are waiting 3-12 months. I would say 80% of my network are NEVER getting anything in the 30 day window. I don't understand what's confusing about what I'm saying. If your department is doing it under the time frame, then forget them. I'm saying focus on recording those that are refusing to do their job or making excuses for endless delays

I say 1 day wait is unacceptable. The background check is done again at point of purchase, why bother doing it twice And the fact that in some towns they adhere to their already ridiculous 30 day policy is irrelevant. We're here to expose the abuse. Once we show that, next step is eliminating it altogether

They can't refuse an application. And admitting they are denying women for being women is still misconduct. It's not like he's interrogating someone and lying about evidence he has against them. He's preventing people from exercising their rights

Many suburban towns delay, far far from the urban areas Until every PD is passing every applications quickly to the courts, they are to be held accountable. Next we will work on the judges. First things first

NJ is a one party consent state and PDs are public property. 2nd problem of this movement is paralysis by analysis. Just do it. They are filming you at every corner inside those stations.

He's not misinformed. He knows people have carry permits that aren't cops. You really think he doesn't know that? He's being instructed either by his chief or the county court not to pass any applications to be heard in front of a judge. They have a tacit agreement

There are more videos. But that isn't the point. What we need is the entire 2A community going into their police departments and making their own recordings of officers refusing to take carry applications, quoting absurdly long permit turnarounds, or also commonly, adhering to some absurd 2 hour time window per week that you can even TALK to them about your firearms applications (most departments won't ACCePT paperwork outside that frame) The problem win us is we all sit here bitching when good activism happens, start criticizing it, or making suggestions, or patting it on the back. What this should inspire is everyone to go do the same thing. If we can catalog 100 towns doing this, we will have carry in 6 months. You have to viscerally show people inside and outside the state what really is going on behind the curtain, and that takes away their ability to say everything is fine

Unfortunately he cannot refuse to accept the application, regardless of whether the local politics there hates guns. No internal investigation will defend that

I wonder if this might help http://www.njecpo.org/?page_id=147

It's not a weird juxtaposition at all. Every officer has to think of something to say to diffuse uncomfortable conversations about how long a permit is taking, or how you can't carry, so they naturally default to sympathy. It's a defense mechanism He has the ability to approve applications and punt to the court, at the very least, to ACCEPT an application and deny it. He's not even allowing these contacts to apply and lying about the process altogether If they really wanted us to carry, they would do what they could in their power to help their residents and process the application, and let the judges say no. Then they'd truly have a clean conscience. They don't give a shit. It's all an act It's quite simple from a logical perspective. Nothing is stopping them from approving. They are DISCOURAGED from doing it, and that's what this will eventually expose

PART 2 From a month earlier, with further contradictions. He outright denies the videographer from getting a carry application or being able to apply, and then lies about why he can't. Also, note each person is greeted with "come back next month" to apply for FID/purchase permits

Part 2 should be out tomorrow morning of the orange PD detective

i assume that was you that asked about concealed carry christie claims can't do executive order

Hope you're all trying to call in like I am to 101.5

good point -- add short to the description. These tyrants are quite particular with their discrimination