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The solution to that is easy. March 10 black women from that town holding their cell phones rolling and demanding both an FID application and concealed carry application and that they expect no more than the currently legislated 30 days Post it all online. Let them get out of that one. Then you have a gender and racial problem on your hands

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/12/gun-rights_advocates_say_chris_christies_shooting.html it's building

some TV coverage http://www.njtvonline.org/news/video/more-claims-by-second-amendment-society-in-denying-of-handgun-permits-by-police/ and Bill Spadea discussed the video this morning on NJ101.5. Mayor of Egg Harbor called for concealed carry publicly. If Christie wants to become president, now is the time to hammer this. Everyone should be contacting the Orange PD and Mayor's office, as well as Christie to either condemn or condone the actions of the detective in the video. I can smell the momentum building. It's time to win

Keep in mind he runs through all the different groups he can deny - but then goes on a self-righteous monologue about how everyone should carry a gun. He literally controls who gets one and who doesn't. He literally passes the recommendation to allow people to carry, and could simply allow the judges to deny his applicants. But he CHOOSES NOT to. It's a conscious act, and he shouldn't be spared the guilt. Moreover, beyond carry permits, he openly discusses denying multiple classes of people for possession permits for reasons that are completely counter-intuitive 1. Will deny women for being petite - THEY NEED THE PROTECTION OF A FIREARM MORE THAN ANYONE! 2. A handicapped/disabled person - THEY NEED THE PROTECTION OF A FIREARM MORE THAN ANYONE! 3. The elderly - THEY NEED THE PROTECTION OF A FIREARM MORE THAN ANYONE! The purpose of owning a weapon is to balance an unfair fight. If being "weaker" than a perceived enemy is the grounds for denying people permits, then I suppose 6 foot 5 225 pound muscle-bound men between the ages of 30-50 should be the only ones with access to firearms, according to his logic (remember, he also mentioned denying 21 year old "urban" people) This is the twilight zone

Everyone should be pounding these state representatives asking if they condone the discrimination against women, the disabled, and the elderly caught on tape in the Orange Police Department. They don't care about 2A, but they care about protected classes. Make them live up to their own book of rules and hammer then. An example has to be made http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/DistrictLegislators.asp?District=34

in the video, he explains his recommendation is passed to the chief and he never disagrees with him because they are on the same page, and that he has "never" been overturned in court for an appeal in Essex county. Due process therefore doesn't exist

prominent 2A groups in NH and other states have had this passed to them. most important are media impressions. NJTV is running an interview today on this. Chasing will likely cover as well. Need a broadcast affiliate to really make it sing but the most effective tactic at this point is to force the response of the PD and to ask if they condone the words and discrimination in the video by the detective. they must defend him, or get rid of him.

they are aware and will cover it. Bill Spadea will be discussing on the air tomorrow also at NJ 101.5

1. Your situation is highly unique as the overwhelming majority of towns are substantially longer than 30 days 2. This is all besides the point... We shouldn't have to ASK FOR PERMISSION TO BEGIN WITH. In any other state, you walk in, do NICS check, walk out. This is the cancer that will keep spreading when you structure the system where you ASK for PERMISSION. It only leads to corruption of power. Any wait is unacceptable, whether it be 3 days or 30, or a year like many in NJ deal with. If this was any other government program, (i.e. WELFARE, SOCIAL SECURITY) There would be blood in the streets if people were told they had to wait months for a welfare check. Why is it OK to discriminate with this? and take as long as they please? The system needs to be destroyed, not altered, not improved

this is not that video. that was a teaser. This is a full 30 minute interaction where each individual class of people is exposed being discriminated against and denied permits. This shows the arbitrary and disgusting attitude of NJ law enforcement at its core when it comes to deciding who does and doesn't get a permit -- but more so, how much they brush you off months before even ACCEPTING your application. if you haven't seen it, plow through it. he contradicts himself multiple times and goes into great detail of who he would deny without a care in the world

Awesome Shawn, and you're right. we have evidence pointing to the fact that all the aspects outside of the municipal police regarding the background checks are usually turned around within hours -- it is the police department itself that causes these endless delays in other cities. In the video he won't even ACCEPT the application unless you have an "appointment", yet he talks to the videographer for almost 30 minutes. Could he have taken a piece of paper in some part of that time frame? What they don't know is there is MORE footage of this same detective. We will expose it wherever it happens -- because frankly, even any waiting period is ridiculous. We should be able to walk into a shop, do a federal nics check, and walk out without groveling to some bureaucrat at a police station. Otherwise, we need to tell them all to start disarming themselves and be on an equal playing ground with us low-level citizens. No more state troopers or guns in the statehouse until justifiable need is overturned. Period Join the effort -- document all your experiences and publicize them. We will get this done Shawn, maybe we could document somehow your very quick turn around at your station and use it to expose the hypocrisy of the other cities? We have more content that juxtaposes what you're saying perfectly

we need to stop talking about the things that have happened to us, and start SHOWING it. Video transcends everything else. Video is indefensible, concrete, visceral, real.

Go back there and record yourself and do it. Then upload to youtube and tag it as part of the campaign. This isn't just the NJ2AS putting out the videos - the intent is for everyone to make their own videos and tag it "Future Victims of NJ" and upload to youtube. We want to crowdsource an overwhelming and indefensible catalog of police discrimination. It starts today with just this one, but we will have hundreds Everyone needs to pitch in

This is how you take the fight - enough talking, enough going to hearings in Trenton - just expose them for what they are and make them answers themselves to the press. For years they ignore us in Trenton -- now they will have to answer. The Orange PD has already taken down their website and the video is beginning to spread. This will be all over the news shortly If you want carry and an end to endless denials and delays in the FID system, make them live up to their own book of rules. They can't openly discriminate against women, the disabled, and "urban" people and expect to not get heat. Spread the word

I did ask a direct question. And the conversation came up because someone's direct family member was the felon, they didn't have a choice in not living with them

Right, but we are talking being past the point of p2p or fid. Would it be unlawful to simply move into a home where another resident is a felon while you lawfully own a firearm you've already purchases? But by the logic of what you just said, if someone does a change of address into the home of a person who is a felon, your saying the local PD won't even issue you the FID card? Or would that raise some other sort of flags

I don't own one, but if someone does and is willing to look it up it would be appreciated

The question though is whether the law abider can keep the firearm in the same home as the offender/felon

Wow, they made your mother remove all the lawfully owned guns? I can believe it because Maryland and New Jersey are so tyrannical, but it blows my mind that everyone in the home basically loses their second amendment rights because of one person. Any one else have an experience like this relatable to jersey?

Recently debated with friends after a range visit if this was legal. It seems to me that simply living with a felon shouldn't deny a law-abider their right to a gun. But again, this is NJ Is it legal in NJ? Google seems to generally dictate that so long as the firearm is owned by a non-felon housemate who legally possesses it, and keeps it secured and locked in a fashion where the felon can not conceivably access it ( a key locked safe or combination in the legal owner's bedroom) Does anyone know a definitive answer on this?

I would not recommend going with a deregulated supplier, for many practical reasons. You don't push a volume worth even trying to game the market in a family home, or with enough incentive for a broker to squeeze on your price point. I was in the business for years and if you like I can explain further over a PM. That stuff is really only beneficial for industrial or large biz customers whose volumes command a broker or ESCO's respect. Presuming no catastrophic market shifts happen in your favor, (highly unlikely) it doesn't do anything. If those brokers had some unforeseen knowledge of said catastrophic market shifts, they would be buying/shorting like crazy and not wasting their time soliciting the miniscule KWH usage of a single family home. Stick with JCPL. They are mandated by the BPU to only take a certain percentage of profit off of you, so your prices from them are always market rate plus a small heavily-regulated markup for them. If the futures plummet after they have already sourced your supply, they technically have to refund their ratepayers on a future invoice. It is very, very rare that you win going with an ESCO in a single family home---your load profile is unique, but very very small (in terms of volume of usage). To hedge their risk, they have to markup your price, but also likely include a broker fee. You would need the market to rise substantially to cover the broker rate, the ESCO markup, and then some for you to save anything off of what the utility might be experiencing at the current market rate and make it worth the hassle. Plus, electricity is cyclical by demand (high summer, low winter). It usually washes anyway with slight fluctuations year to year. the deposit could just be a credit threshold they maintain due to your change of custody. They should reimburse it to you over time. stick with the utility for your own sanity

I worked in Bridgeport and and had my carry permit All I can say is, be fully prepared to draw your weapon in Bridgeport. You will have multiple real life opportunities. I am not kidding whatsoever I saw young people die in those streets. The gangs are out of control. If you are going to walk around parts of Bridgeport without a gun, you are fully asking to die. Again, I say that with no concept of exaggeration or hyperbole whatsoever. You will have experiences that shape your idea of paranoia and vigilance in being aware of your surroundings 24/7 The police there are all former marines, and even they don't bother with certain neighborhoods. St Vincent's has a well known gunshot trauma center, that should tell you something, and the neighborhood around it on park avenue will tell you why that's the case I had too many brushes with disaster and put in for a transfer back to NJ. When they didn't honor it, I decided the job wasn't worth dying for and found something else to do back home and quit. I had more trouble in Bridgeport than I ever had in my whole life in Newark or Paterson, and I am a person who has seen first hand the blessing that carry rights are because of my time in Bridgeport. get your permit immediately, it takes about 60 days there. Use it, or be at some thug's mercy. In essence, Bridgeport Connecticut is what made me care about the second amendment. It taught me more about protecting myself, but more so about avoiding a problem before it started. Everyone, and I mean everyone, had a gun on those streets, whether legally or not. Every store you walk into, the cashier has a gun under the counter. You will see people draw weapons on each other over meaningless verbal disputes. You will hear about a murder within days of moving there Please be prepared for that city. I mean it, as someone who lived it for a year, inside and out. Best of luck

2nd to Ruths Chris. have had a few great meals there

the problem is we have one or two people doing it. Can you imagine if we had 1000? You would create a crisis for the state of NJ. They would look like the biggest tyrants and you would garner national attention, that the state is systematically discriminating against it's citizens, and granting rights exclusively to politically connected politicians, and rich people who can afford a lawsuit. That's a losing narrative for the state.

glenn, what I am telling you is none of that matters. And that's the problem. Everyone wants to slow this down and have an intellectual debate about it. You can get the most eloquent speech writer to craft for you the most meticulous and beautiful reasoning for you to put on your application. You are still going to get rejected. Don't you think if beautiful words and rhetoric worked, that we would have just passed legislation on this already? that 20 of the bills they rammed through when 1000 people showed up to testify would have possibly gone the other way? Absolutely not, the state does not care about what you have to say. We don't need a college lecture on our applications. we need rejections. Until we get tons of rejections, the narrative never changes. Every second we waste debating ONE ANOTHER on what to write, is another second we aren't spending CHANGING THE NARRATIVE. You just need to take away the argument from the state. Save the suspense, you WILL get rejected no matter what you write. but that's what you want