jackandjill

What do you mean "less regulated" ? Can you elaborate on that one ?

Just curious. Did Doc tell you that the Detective called him about you or Detective tell you he called Doc ?

Do we know if someone actually called Doc and Doc gave a story ?

More importantly, watch out for NJ laws to the effect of "it shall be unlawful to manufacture, make, construct, load, reload, sell, give, gift, dispose or otherwise transfer any type of ammunition without appropriate license....." and "it shall be unlawful to buy, receive, or otherwise come to possession of ammunition of any kind without first obtaining permit....". You know its coming.

Autonomous Driving Vehicles – Arriving Anytime Soon? -------- Are we talking about the ones that cannot be held responsible for their actions ? They have been here all along, in the form of liberals.

I for one applaud our new dictator for taking this action. In fact, they should do this every 6 months so NJ residents can fake-feel-safe all over again.

and OOS pretty quick.

Supply & Demand.

Didn't we know ? They are all "reasonable", as, how and when it suits them.

So glad. NJ is safe (again).

---- While she was searching for her license, officers spotted a concealed weapons permit, according to a press release. An investigation revealed Gracey had the handgun in her purse, authorities said. --------- Lets hope a competent lawyer would have it thrown out, unless the law abiding answered questions fully and honestly. We will see.

@Smokin .50 Thats awesome. Just joined as token of appreciation. Keep up good work.

FTFY. Yes, they do, with slight correction above.

I am praying every day.

I strongly recommend everyone to read that Prop 63 document I linked earlier. Every paragraph is a chilling, unbelievable, can-they-do-it sh*t.

Reading CA Prop 63, if you take ammo out of state, you CANNOT bring it back in. You better dump it all at the range if you dont like getting caught. How they are going to enforce it is different matter, but if you are caught with it, expect fines / penalties what-have-you. Over arching point is, they WANT you to break the silly laws they made. Sometimes I do wonder if "Criminals" are the ones exercising true freedoms everyday.

In NJ, they TAKE your purse, bag in return for a rope to hang you with.

Point being, there is precedent to most things most of us (atleast I) think are impossible or prohibitively expensive implement / track / confiscate etc. Proposition 63 makes NJ look like 2A heaven (for now). http://vig.cdn.sos.ca.gov/2016/general/en/pdf/prop63-title-summ-analysis.pdf

They dont have control or stop anything. They know very well that law abiding citizens pose no threat at all. We all know that was never the intent. The intent is simply to make criminals out of us and everything else falls in place automatically. Check out CA Agri border checks. Here is a map of their location for your visual gratification. Point is, every time I think something is outrageous or impossible, CA has proven me wrong. https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/plant/PE/ExteriorExclusion/CalBorderStationMap.pdf

Refer to how people were getting caught with fireworks cross from PA into NJ. Yes, they had enough resources so sit at the border and catch people getting fireworks in. Second, the more laws people violate, the more criminals they get to make out of us. The more law abiding turn into criminals by violating stupid laws, the better it is for them. I didnt know until recently, California actually has border checkpoints for Agri inspections of all vehicles entering from Nevada. So the infra and manpower is already there.

If anyone from Northern NJ is going, I will pay for part of gas money in exchange for some stuff I need from there. Note: Dont mean to hijack the thread, sorry.

Dont know about nics (yet), but you bet there will be requirements for "log book" and FFL fees. People will then resort to driving over to next state and hauling it in. Then antis will have another "loophole" to rant about. ... on and on and on... Scratch that part about driving from another state. Apparently in CA its illegal to do so starting 2018. Its actually worse than it looks (let that sink in for a sec). ------ Can I buy ammunition online or from a catalog? Yes, but you can’t ship it to your home any more starting Jan. 1. You can still buy online or from a catalog, but you now have to ship ammunition first to a licensed vendor who can charge you a processing fee. ----------- Will I have to undergo a background check to buy ammunition? Not in 2018. While you will have to go through a licensed dealer to transfer or buy ammo in California starting Jan. 1, background checks won’t start until July 2019. -------- Will I have to buy a special ammunition permit under the new background check rules? Probably not. Proposition 63, approved by voters in 2016, included a provision that would have required ammunition buyers to pay the state up to $50 for a four-year permit to buy ammunition. But legislation signed the same year by Gov. Jerry Brown appears to have overridden that provision – at least for the time being. Rather than requiring a permit, the legislation Brown signed says ammunition buyers will instead pay a $1 state fee for a background check at the point of sale. ---- Can I drive in ammunition I bought out of state? No. On Jan. 1, it will be illegal to import into California ammunition purchased in another state. The legislature passed a bill in 2016 that would have allowed hunters to bring in up to 50 rounds from out of state without taking it to a dealer, but Proposition 63 overrode that, according to the Department of Justice. Reference: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/article189213039.html

I was, of course, kidding. In all seriousness, having declared ridiculous background checks, fees, FFL requirements, permits, NICS etc as "reasonable regulations", I don't see any court ruling any differently for requiring that ammo be shipped to an FFL. In fact, I don't see any court declaring any registration of firearms, ammo etc as unconstitutional at all. Not that its not valid argument, but thats the way courts are, atleast for now. I will be happy to be proven wrong.

You might be onto something. How about OP signs up to volunteer, bring some hot chocolate wearing a NRA TShirt ?