ryan_j

Don't see why it matters, up here in NW jersey we are more like Alabama than you guys down south

So who writes the admin code then?

Minor correction, it was written by the Office of Administrative Law or OAL. They use case law as the basis for defining what justifiable need is.

Yep and as such I am no longer a member of NJ2AS.

Revell was a Utah resident who stayed overnight in a hotel and was arrested when he tried to check his firearm in at Newark airport.

I agree. There is but it has mostly been wait and see, specifically wait and see if the courts would help. That doesn't look like it's happening. What do you propose?

I'm thinking about doing the CHL class this summer as well, but I have a planned trip to Texas already. Just need to book a flight. My only qualm is having to fly out of Newark. After the Greg Revell incident I'm a bit concerned. But many of you fly out of Newark, no problems. I've asked before and not gotten an answer, but why is it that Revell got arrested and you guys don't?

The democrats brought out the minimum wage vote last year.

I'm not saying you're wrong for being pessimistic, I just think that we haven't explored all of the options yet. The PA/UT problem is a symptom of a bigger problem - NJ has no carry permits except for very few lucky or elite people. So I think we should look at fixing that before we go to great lengths to fix something in another state. Voting is one thing to do, and I think we need to push more gun owners out to the ballot box come election time. But there are other options, and let's not forget, we don't have a Democrat in the Governor's office at the moment. While he might not be pro gun, I think he's someone we can work with, especially since he wants to run for President. He has the power to make NJ a de-facto shall-issue state. I don't think he's getting enough pressure to do it. Maybe some people think I'm wrong about this. But there is a guy who I know who applied for a carry permit, and was denied by his police chief. He took it to court, and instead of just scheduling the hearing and denying him off the bat, they delayed him I think about 4 times already and even switched judges. His case is still pending. Not only that, but Christie's office has contacted his attorney to find out about his case. So clearly something is afoot. I'm not sure what, but I think we may have started getting their attention.

Then don't go publicizing it in an online forum. Seriously... you don't think they read what we post? Just go get your permit, do it on the down low.

It's a chicken and egg thing. I agree we are not as strong because most people are afraid the little bit of rights that are being respected will be taken away from them if they decide to take a bold step. Many people figure they will stay in NJ for a while but then eventually move out to "free America" which usually means Pennsylvania.

The union thing was just an example. The problem is what is packaged up with each party. My personal positions - I'm for 2nd amendment obviously, but I lower taxes, reducing spending, freedom in general. I am pro life and I'm not really pro same sex marriage but I can accept it as long as it's not being thrown in my face. Where I depart from Republicans - I am NOT against renewable energy and reasonable measures to protect the environment. But I can't get everything I want, because no one party shares all of my beliefs.

Maybe some of the fence sitters. Maybe Christie and his AG. Maybe our fellow gun owners in other states? Maybe the courts, and the state can't lie and say 94% of permits are approved?

Maybe some of our own are voting with the other side because their union told them to do so.

I do not want to become part of blue PA.

So why are you still a NJ resident?

Or how about we mass apply, get denied and then take it public as loudly as we can.

She renegotiated one other state that had the same requirements. Nobody can stop her except the pa legislature and voters. But how about a NJ CCW class? Why not mass apply like we said we were going to?

You guys are inviting trouble. You can bet she will target Texas next. They

Probably the one where they (ironically) would not issue if they have reciprocity with your state unless you showed them a a permit from that state

I agree. There are a few categories of non-voters. "My hunting/target/home defense guns aren't affected. I don't really care." "I'll just move to PA/I'm moving to PA (or some other state). I don't care. Let NJ burn." "We're outnumbered. No sense in voting." "I don't like either choice on the ballot and I am not voting for the lesser of two evils."

As usual they will claim that their members are harmed by gun violence and gun accidents.

Loophole: 10) Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season. So get a sportsman's permit and carry your dog for a walk. LOL.

It covers "a place of target practice." You could be going to the moon to shoot little green cardboard men, legal.

I agree that emailing and contacting the AG is not going to do anything. She is a political kamikaze and she will probably only serve one term. Apart from the gun permit thing she also has a corruption scandal surrounding her where she simply looked the other way. The only saving grace she may have is from gay rights proponents where she said she wouldn't enforce PA's ban on gay marriage. Also, mayor Nutter (Philadelphia) has her ear. Bloomberg funded her last campaign as well.