ryan_j

Defensive Gun Use

3.5 years mandatory minimum under the graves act. More if you have hollow points. If you committed an actual crime you can plead the gun charges down or away.

Same deal in CA as well, and this is pre-Peruta.

One way is to print up that tweet and start handing it out at gun ranges, especially those in his district. Tell people get off their asses and vote the scum out.

Not quite. NY is not "shall-issue." NY is "may-issue." The process for getting a carry permit in NY, is that you get a target and hunting permit first and then after a year you can apply to the judge to have the restrictions removed. It's not a law, just a practice. Some counties will turn you down but many will not. The ones that turn you down are around the NYC area - Westchester, Nassau, Suffolk and I believe Dutchess. Also, your permits were valid for life. Not anymore. The SAFE act truncated them to 5 years validity and a new judge may be able to turn you down.

Yes, they know that. It's how Illinois fell. And a similar change in law is how California fell. California banned unloaded open carry, which prompted the Peruta decision.

That might be plausible. He wants to condition people into thinking that carry is out of reach and only for "special" people.

Correct, plus the previous correspondence between UT and PA

We have the Pantano case being argued in the NJSC soon. I'm SURE they are going to pull the "90+% of permits are approved" bull. And in reality they aren't lying. People don't apply, only those who know they have a sure shot. Even if NJSC turns us down, it will be important for the appeal to the US Supreme Court to show that NJ is playing a game with the numbers.

Most people do not even apply for a NJ permit, assuming they will be denied and will have to check off that dreaded "were you ever denied" box. I think if lots of people applied all at once it would at least force the powers that be to take notice.

I think it's a chicken and egg thing. Most people think it's lost so they don't even bother to fight.

Why is it "never" going to happen? "Never" is a pretty strong word. People say it would "never" happen in Illinois/Chicago either. They had an outright ban, after all. California too, now they are falling all over themselves to try to figure out how to issue permits. But why is it "never" going to happen? I thought we had ONE MILLION gun owners? Where are they?

They won't do it because their current system works well, and withstood court challenges. Completely banning carry will not withstand a court challenge.

Guys, the only way to fix this is to fix NJ. Until people are willing to do this, you're wasting your time chasing after PA changing its laws. Our AG can make NJ a shall-issue state overnight. You heard me right. All the AG has to do is say that in light of the Heller and McDonald decisions, and in light of the Peruta decision in the 9th circuit, "self defense" is a valid justifiable need. Our definition of "justifiable need" is pre-Heller. And of course I fully expect NJ gun owners to say, "you're wasting your time!" Well YOU are wasting your time chasing after PA. It's their state, their laws, their voters and their AG. Only they can fix it, not us.

The only problem with that is that if caught, there are extremely severe penalties. And all it takes is one traffic stop gone wrong, or worse yet, a DGU.

This most certainly means that non resident Utah reciprocity is completely DEAD.

From the PA AG: Pennsylvania has received notification from Utah officials that their law has changed and no longer complies with Pennsylvania law. Utah is now a Category 4 state. Holders of Pennsylvania and Utah permits will no longer be able to have their permits honored in each other's states. Likewise, individuals from other states holding Utah permits will not have their permits honored in Pennsylvania. Pa. permit holders may still apply for a non-resident permit for use in the state of Utah. The reason for this change was a recent determination that Utah's relevant statutory provisions are no longer compatible with Pennsylvania law. Pa. law requires that the statutes be substantially similar in order for the Attorney General to grant reciprocity. Finally, please know that Utah and Pennsylvania are currently negotiating a formal reciprocity agreement (Category 1) that when agreed to would permit residents of Pa. and Utah to have their permits recognized in each other's states.

I live in Sussex County. I work in NYC. Yes, it's a hike. But is it worth it? To me it is. It does get tiring but I don't think I could live in the other parts of NJ. I lived in Wayne and where I live now is much better.

Exactly. This is what I told Anthony on Gun For Hire Radio this week. Attach it somewhere in some bill that they don't read anyway. Then it will get passed and even signed by Obama. We got national carry in parks this way, as you pointed out. LEOSA enhancements were also attached to a defense authorization bill, IIRC. The last great attempt at national CCW reciprocity was through the Thune Amendment to a defense appropriations bill. It almost passed. "They" do this all the time. Maybe it's time we do too. We aren't going to win by playing nice.

Yeah come on guys, don't spread misinformation... PA statute says ANY permit issued by the US or any state can be used for vehicle carry... That's interesting, so I wonder if your NJ FID and pink copy of the permit to purchase will work?

But Utah is only $15 to renew. I plan on renewing mine.

Yes, they are good.

Still valid in many other states... and cheap to renew.

Yes.

I'm going to San Antonio for a week soon. Will definitely try to fit in a CHL class.