Howard

Thanks its been a while since I have actually seen some .22LR, not a bad price either. Wish you could get more than one box, but one is much better than the zero I have been coming up with lately.

So if he just ships it to me (I have an FID) that is legal?

What are the rules in NJ regarding BB guns. My son is out on vacation in Montana and they went into Walmart and bought one to play with. He wanted to know if he could send it here before he leaves?

That only happens in NJ when they suspect you of "DWB"

The state "allows" a 3 day waiver, they don't MANDATE it - why would the FFL want to take the risk, it is not worth it to them.

Freedom munitions has some online now (probably gone when you see this) for about 32 cents per round.

That can't possibly be People's Republic of NJ legal can it? Wouldn't it be an illegal feature to be able to effectively hold two guns in one hand?

David you raise a valid point. Let me address the flip side of it. If the weapon is for home defense then you want it in your bedroom, as it does you little good if you wake up to a bad guy in the hallway and your weapon is in the living room or in the basement. You also want it fairly close to your bed as you want to reduce the possibility of the bad guy getting between you and the weapon. That leaves very few places to put it. That said, I am not an advocate of leaving it unlocked on or in a night stand - as that will be the first place the bad guy is going to look if the opportunity arises. I read on another forum [i'm sorry for two timing ] about a guy that woke up in the morning to find that a bad guy had been in the house, and in his bed room and took stuff without them ever waking. Just imagine if he awoke and the bad guy was by the bed - who would get the open gun first? Thus, I like the idea of the biometric in close proximity to the bed. I am not advocating you keep an arsenal there - just one gun and a limited amount of ammo. This is yet another reason why, if you are a sound sleeper, you need something to wake you when there is an intruder. That is why a good perimeter alarm system and / or a couple of canine friends are very useful as your first alert system giving you plenty of time to get to a weapon before you might need to use it.

I forget the exact size of the holes but I think they are about 3/8" and it comes with some nice expanding lag type bolts to go through those holes. It would be relatively easy to get a good metal bit and enlarge them. You have to remember that none of these things are what I would call true safes. They are designed to securely safeguard the content from those that would like to snatch and grab. With the right tools you could cut through 1/4" steel or what-ever fairly quickly. I have mine to prevent accidents and to deter any bad acts. I think you need to evaluate what you are trying to accomplish before you buy any locking container.

Even if my salary did just double I am not paying that plus shipping for 9mm, we are talking about something like 50 cents a round to my door step. Maybe I might pay that for .45 acp but not 9mm.

I don't think traffic is slowing down, it might actually be picking up as more and more people decide its time to protect themselves from the liberals. I had a conversation with two of the owners at RTSP the other day and they were telling me how funny it is that people are coming in with their own ammo and bragging how they bought it on the Internet and are actually paying 50% MORE than what the ammo goes for at the range. The ranges seem to be rationing ammo for use at the range only, so you have a hard time buying it there for other uses, but I can't fault them for that.

A toothpaste factory had a problem. They sometimes shipped empty boxes without the tube inside. This challenged their perceived quality with the buyers and distributors. Understanding how important the relationship with them was, the CEO of the company assembled his top people. They decided to hire an external engineering company to solve their empty boxes problem. The project followed the usual process: budget and project sponsor allocated, RFP, and third-parties selected. Six months (and $8 million) later they had a fantastic solution - on time, on budget, and high quality. Everyone in the project was pleased. They solved the problem by using a high-tech precision scale that would sound a bell and flash lights whenever a toothpaste box weighed less than it should. The line would stop, someone would walk over, remove the defective box, and then press another button to re-start the line. As a result of the new package monitoring process, no empty boxes were being shipped out of the factory. With no more customer complaints, the CEO felt the $8 million was well spent. He then reviewed the line statistics report and discovered the number of empty boxes picked up by the scale in the first week was consistent with projections, however, the next three weeks were zero! The estimated rate should have been at least a dozen boxes a day. He had the engineers check the equipment, they verified the report as accurate. Puzzled, the CEO traveled down to the factory, viewed the part of the line where the precision scale was installed, and observed just ahead of the new $8 million dollar solution sat a $20 desk fan blowing the empty boxes off the belt and into a bin. He asked the line supervisor what that was about. "Oh, that," the supervisor replied, "Bert, the kid from maintenance, put it there because he was tired of walking over, removing the box and re-starting the line every time the bell rang.?

The OGAM rule has been thrown out! It is now one gun every 36-45 days thanks to extended "Instant" NICS!

You my friend are a refreshing breath of fresh air and I wish you could somehow share your experience with all our liberal democrat "Friends" to teach them a thing or two. My observation has been people from all over the world are dying to get here and once here generally do fairly well. It is the lazy natural born citizens that become dependent on handouts and complain that life is rigged against them.

Me too, and I hate to wait for ANYTHING!

They are looking into this based in part on my conversation with them about a week ago. He suggested I call his assistant and she asked me to email her the details and she would have it looked into. Here is the conversation: Elaine, Per our conversation, I was hoping Mr. Carroll’s office might be able to do something about the state obstruction of our second amendment rights. State law mandates that firearms ID cards (FID) are to be issued in 30 days or less. Living in Randolph I was one of the lucky ones where my town actually complied and completed the request in 28 days, but that is not the case in most parts of the state. Some towns, even in Morris County, are taking two to six months or more. Then you have the Instant background checks at time of gun purchase (called nics). The way it is supposed to work is the gun store (FFL) calls in to the state police and the instant check is run over the phone. As instant implies, this was typically a 10 minute procedure or less. The state police have shut down the phone lines and are requiring that everything now be done by fax (1970’s technology). This at first made instant a few hours or a day. My understanding is that state law mandates this be done in three days or less. It is now taking seven to nine days in Randolph which is unacceptable. I believe the law actually says that the FFL may release a gun to the purchaser if they get no reply in three days, but they won’t do that because of legal concerns if the background check came back negative. Something needs to be done to stop the state from trampling on our rights to speedy processing. Thanks for your help in this matter. Response: Howard, I just heard back from my contact at the Dept. of Law and Public Safety. She said you are correct that the statute is not clear and they are aware of the issue. It is currently under review and results will become available in the near future. Elaine

Well I am a born again shooter As a kid I used to shoot .22 bolt action rifles in summer camp and competed in inter-camp games. Had not touched a gun in over 40 years and just started again a couple of months ago. This time its just handguns. Perhaps it is another poster stated - a city versus country thing. I grew up in the city and now live in Morris County which while beautiful is not really what I would call country. I have a Glock G22, waiting for nics to clear on a nice Kimber 1911 and have my eye on an S&W revolver - but that will be a while thanks to OGAM and NICS.

I think Havocman either gives off a bad vibe and is treated that way, or hit them on a bad day. I have never been treated with anything but respect there. The staff and owners are always very polite and try to help in anyway possible. They probably did not ask if you wanted ammo as they provide that as a service for people that shoot at the range and the staff knows that you can buy it cheaper other places. If they offered you high price ammo I bet you would be bitching here about how they tried to strong arm you into over paying for ammo. Some people it seems just like to complain. As far as the attraction to the place; well it is clean, well run, and safe. The last one being a big issue. There are too many places where stupid people and gangsta types are allowed to do stupid and dangerous things - that is not the case here. There are video cams everywhere and one and sometimes two range officers on the floor - that is great for only 9 ports.

Howard Leight are great. You can hear people talk far down the range while blocking out the gun shot noise. Love mine.

I have fired 9mm and .40 cal. 9mm was fmj, .40 cal both fmj and hollow point - it is cleaner than a lot of other ammo I have used and never had a single failure or other issues. Have a bunch of their .45 that looks great, just waiting for my nics to clear so I have something to fire it with. They ship fairly quickly (when you are lucky enough to find they have stuff) and their prices are good. I have been paying roughly 28 cents for 9mm, 32 cents for .40 cal and 42 cents for .45 cal. I have an order of 9mm blaster training stuff coming, from what I heard it just does not look like new, but otherwise is the same stuff.

P2P is no problem still have three of those, its the stupid NICS. What do they think I became a felon in the six weeks since I got the permits. I hate the nanny state where I have to ask permission to do what the constitution says I have a right to do. Imagine if they changed the 1st amendment and they did not let liberals speak until they got permits and then permits under those permits and then an extra check so that they could not say what they wanted till two to eight months later.

I have ordered a bunch of ammo from Freedom munition and have been very happy. A couple of weeks ago I noticed one .40 cal round that had the bullet pushed down too far. I went through the entire case of 1,000 and that was the only one. I sent them a picture of it next to a normal round and told them I wanted to make them aware of it. They promptly contacted me and asked me for the QC code printed on the inside of the box. They then told me they would like to send me a box of 50 rounds to make up for it. I thanked them and forgot about it. Today the UPS truck came to visit and I received the free box from them. That is what I call great customer service from a company that stands behind what they sell.

I looked at Kimber's web page on the solo and they have some very detailed warning that you need to use quality heavy grain (124 or 147) ammo otherwise the slide may not fully operate.

Don't know how they compare to the Solo but I saw a Stainless ultra carry 9mm and tactical pro 9mm which are non-full size Kimber's for rent at RTSP a little while ago.

Yea, it even seems long to you - and YOU are not the one waiting I had to wait two weeks till I could even put it in. I got to the FFL first thing Monday morning when they opened. So, I am guessing it probably won't be till at least next Tuesday :(