Howard

Deer? I calling the Frick'n suburban rats. Here are just a few of the hundreds of pictures I have taken of them in my back yard:

Next thing you know they'll have mini killer airplanes in the sky hunting down citizens without a trial.

I thought they do, didn't 0bamba tell us they cling to their Religion AND Guns?

I have decided to exercise my 5th amendment rights while I still can, before they decide to tax and limit that one too.

Ended up finding a Kimber Eclipse Custom II.

Yup I wrote to mine, Mike Carroll and thanked him for taking a stand protecting our rights.

all gone

Three is the limit. Largest rifle ammo allowed is 308 - I hate shooting when someone is using that as at sounds like a fricken cannon is going off an I jump even with earplugs and muffs on. Here are the rules: http://www.rtsponline.com/downloads/files/RTSP%20Range%20Forms%208-26-12.pdf

AND THIS is EXACTLY why we need tighter gun control laws - to prevent another Kimber drowning. Poor poor Kimber

Is ammo finally becoming more available? It is still available this morning along with a few others slightly higher in price.

And you are posting this why? Is there something new here?

Yup, I have a similar memory. My son used to be a Braves fan, and I a die hard Met's fan. We just happened to have tickets to what turned out to be the first game after 9/11. That was a night to remember.

When you find out please let me know. I am a new shooter and when I told my wife my plans she said if I bring a gun into the house I should plan for a divorce. After a few weeks she came around a little but said she did not want to see it or know about it. We now call the range my "gym". So when she asked what I did today I tell her I went to the gym. I am hoping to with time get her to at least handle it (unloaded) and then see if I can get her to come to the "gym" one day.

Oh man are you screwed, this is NJ. If you want to change it's name you have to download a couple of forms. Then you have to fill them out get two non relatives to vouch for you, you have to submit to background checks, get printed, and be sure no head doc has anything bad to say about you. Oh wait, I have that confused with something else. Just call it any darn thing you want, dogs are smart and he/she will pick up quickly :D

I've had very good luck with UPS, they are my go to shipper above all others. I have to admit that I am less than happy that they have started to employ the drop and run tactics that FedEx always uses. I have watched the FedEx people walk to within 10' of my front door and just toss packages toward the door. My biggest problem ever was with FedEx that just left a package of camera equipment by my garage door when a signature was required. The two dogs I had at the time thought it was a great toy and chewed through the packaging and destroyed everything. Be sure I explained that it was left without signature and "wild animals" got to it and destroyed everything. There were lots of forms but the sender sent out replacement stuff right away. Why don't these companies follow their own rules to no leave stuff without a signature when the shipper has instructed them to do that? As far as UPS, I had a different driver than normal recently who dropped off some Ammo. He was a cool guy and we talked guns for a while, he wanted to know where I had ordered the Ammo from as like the rest of us he has been having trouble finding stuff lately.

Keep in mind we are not in "normal" times. We are in a period of tight supply and frantic buying. Its sort of like when certain cars are in hot demand and some dealers sell then at higher than MSRP. Yea I know they can't do that, but they include custom floor mats that you can't buy the car without and charge $2,300 extra for that

Well I think it is a lot like the car business. You make a lot more on the used ones than the new ones. My LGS told me that the max he makes on a new gun is $75. While you can sometimes find things cheaper on the Internet, by the time you pay the shipping and the FFL transfer fee you might be saving almost nothing. If its close I rather pay a little more and support the local business anyway. As for used I was told there is some sort of equivalent to the car blue book and that the gun shop typically pays about 70% of that value to buy and tries to sell it at the blue book value. Who really knows, but it makes sense.

The other advantage of getting a conversion is you get two guns in one and don't have to "spend" a P2P to get one. That also means you don't have to wait a month under the OGAM crap.

I thought ammo would have to be signed for? The other day the UPS driver pulled in my driveway, I noticed cause my dogs came to tell me. I went down to the front door and watched the delivery guy make no attempt to even approach the door, he just walked to the garage door and left 1,000 rounds just sitting there. Does not seem like a smart move.

These guns just came in today according to their facebook page if anyone is looking for one: * 2 Glock 19 Gen3 Flat Dark Earth * 3 Glock 17 Gen3 Flat Dark Earth * 3 Glock 21 Gen4 Flat Dark Earth ... * 2 Glock 22 Gen3 Flat Dark Earth * 2 Glock 20 Gen4 Flat Dark Earth * 1 S&W M&P9 4.25" * 1 S&W M&P9C w/ambi safety * 1 S&W M&P9 4.25" with ambi safety * 1 S&W M&P9 Carry & Range Kit * 2 Kimber Pro Carry II with Night Sights

So in other words if I wanted to send a Kimber in for something in Yonkers, NY I would have to pay for air shipping even though we all know it will go by truck.

In reading the UPS page listed above am I reading it correctly that all guns must be shipped by air? Why would that be?

As a new shooter I am still trying to learn lots of stuff. One of the things I have yet to figure out is what is the difference between a .40 cal round that is 165 grain versus 180 grain -- please don't tell me 15 grains What I am asking is what is the difference between how it travels, what it does on impact, and the recoil in the gun. Do they have the same amount of powder in the shell? Do travel at different speeds, or have different amounts of energy at impact? What is the reason for having two different common sizes? Which one am I better off using for target shooting, what about as a defensive round. Let's keep it simple and not bring JHP type rounds into the equation for now.

Interesting. So I guess the gang members in state "XYZ" are concerned with this and don't just put guns in the US mail or UPS drop box to send to their gang affiliates in NJ ?

I might be far from representative, as I am a new shooter, but I sort of understand what you are saying. I guess there are people that don't belong to a range so it costs them money each time they go and thus want to shoot as many shots as they can to amortize their cost per hour. Since I paid for a membership it does not cost me for the range time each time I go so I am a little more discriminating. I would say I go through 50 to 80 rounds a visit on average. I generally take my time and only load two or three rounds at a time. I am still learning so I take my time and after a few shots take some time to think about what I did and what the results were. Things finally seemed to click for me last Friday, and all of a sudden I am really able to place my shots and get some decent groupings. I was at the range this morning and with my G22 I put seven shots in about a 2" circle at 7 yards - that may be crap for some people, but I really felt good about it.