wooly bugger

Forgive my ignorance but what's a bucket pool? Whatever it is, congrats. You should get a CCW permit before taking that home.

Great service. I once had a fraudulent charge on mine. I called and spoke with an American rep on the second or third ring. Card cancelled and new one sent in no time. I love Cabelas.

See you all there.

Never been asked for FID either.

I doubt this very much. Only reporting requirement is for involuntary commitments.

http://home.nra.org/default.aspx#/nraorg Starting in 1-2 minutes to address gun control

Thank goodness we have ethical dealers like Midway. When I was still in buying mode, I'd just religiously check their stock, and things would dribble in ever so often. It happened a couple of days ago where some bulk .22 went from "no backorder" to "backorder OK." Small victories. You can build up what you need at reasonable prices by following this practice. When the dust settles, I hope we all have long memories of how different vendors behaved in the crisis. I know most of my gun-related business will go to Midway and general sporting business to Cabelas.

On the off chance that this happens to be match grade ammunition that has until now been a well-kept secret in SE Asia, it's not a bad price. I like the fact that .22LR seems to be trickling back in. The fact that we're seeing an unknown foreign manufacturer showing up means that the invisible hand is working, and increased demand is recruiting new sources of supply. That can only be a good thing. EDIT: I take it back. Here's what it's supposed to cost. F'ing gougers. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2586490192/armscor-target-ammunition-22-long-rifle-40-grain-lead-round-nose

See my post above. The gun grabbers aren't stupid, and they aren't principled. If they can't get away with an actual ban, which they can't, they have many ways to make it extremely painful and expensive to get ammo. As long as I'm not paying panic prices, which I'm not, I really don't see the downside in having a bit too much. Worst case is that, with a massive supply glut, prices will plunge even lower than pre-panic levels. I don't see that happening, and if it does, so what? So I will have paid $0.20/round for match quality .22, rather than $0.15/round. I'll take that risk to mitigate the risks I outlined above.

I'm not buying more than I need, just redefining what I need, which for me is enough to sustain me though a 2-3 years' drought. Given all the nonsense going on, I've come to realize that it's quite easy for multi year defacto bans to be instituted. My perfect storm situation is quite simple: 1) Every 5 year reapplication for FID law makes system crash when 500k people are required to reapply next year and another 500k the year after, and then 200k every year after than ad infinitum. 2) FID required for ammo purchase. There, now no one can buy guns or ammo until the democrats realize what they've done and allocate massive funds to fix the FID system and help get guns into the hands of law abiding citizens! Or we sue them. In either case, years. Even worse if bordering states refuse to sell to us in violation of our local laws, just as they won't sell us long guns without FID. You want to make it worse? Add on Cryan's bill requiring background checks for all ammo purchases. If they're 1600 behind on background checks for gun purchases, multiply that by one or two orders of magnitude if every stinking box of shells requires the dealer to fill out a form, fax it in, wait to hear back, and call the customer back. I can't imagine many dealers going through that hassle for a couple of dollars margin. Other fun scenarios involve "sensible" taxes on ammunition, like the 25% tax proposed in MA, on top of giving a dwindling number of dealers monopoly power by outlawing online sales, which could easily raise prices multiple fold. These are just a few plausible scenarios I've thought up. I'm sure there are plenty that haven't even occurred to my paranoid mind. So, for now, I'm not overpaying for anything. I've stopped buying .22, and 12 gauge target rounds, as I feel I have enough to last a couple of years. I've just purchased an M1 Garand and a M-N M44, and have a few hundred rounds for each. Once I actually fire the rifles and get a sense of how much I'll be firing in the future and how happy I am with the surplus ammo, I'll probably stock up on a few 1000 rounds of M2 ball and/or 7.62 x 54. Oh, and I have several thousand pellets for my precision air guns. If the SHTF, that will feed my family for years, before I have to fire a single firearm round. Don't discount airguns. They're quiet, relatively safe from gun grabbers, lots of fun in the basement, and superb survival tools.

Where did that come from?

One important tactic for us is, we need better outreach into the general hunting community and the occasional shooter who doesn't monitor these boards religiously. We're just the tip of the iceberg here. Earlier this week, I was at a leadership meeting with one of the big outdoor organizations. My vision is to develop a network with local outdoor clubs, including ones that aren't directly 2nd amendment, so that when we have 5 days to put together >1000 people, we can quickly activate the members. I'll be speaking at a county level hunting club soon. What I would like us to be able to offer in exchange is that when an issue of importance to them comes up, which will likely affect many of us, such as anti-hunting legislation, we return the favor and rally on their behalf, even if it's not up there on our top list of burning priorities. In this oligarchy, a coalition of overlapping interests is the best way to flex maximal political muscle.

What has SAF been doing to push back? The tone of that question is not, hands on hips, snappy attitude. It's, I'm trying to figure out where my money is best deployed. I haven't contributed to SAF, and I'm looking for positive reasons to. I know they've been involved with the CCW case, which is reason enough, but right now, my biggest focus is on defeating these bills.

Springfield on rt 22 sells guns and ammo. I always feel dirty coming out of Dick's. after their pulling modern sporting rifles, I was going to boycott them and buy only from LGS. But it takes a lot of discipline to make the 90 min round trip to LGS rather than 30 min round trip to Dick's So there's my confession. But I still haven't stooped to CTD.

I got 10 bricks of match ammo right at the start of the panic and have stopped buying. It's enough to get me through any reasonable shortage, and for Christ's sake, you can buy .22 LR in England. A .22 ban is the least realistic of our worries. Once things settle down, I will never again be without 5k .22 and 1k for each caliber/gage I own. And I'm going to start reloading. This dark period has permanently altered my perception of this country and its leaders. I was asleep before, now I'm awake.

Both Woodbridge and Springfield stores sell ammo.

CTD....ignore them, and they'll go away.

Only if the bullet crosses at least one multi-lane highway. While not mandatory, the law states that this "should" be done after first purchasing fireworks from one or more of the establishments along Rt. 78.

This is so over the top that it's setting off my BS radar. Why would a LGS call itself a "deadly weapons dealer?" Three times in the same letter. And why are the last two paragraphs indented and in a different font. And finally, how did "Shawn Thomas" in Terre Haute, IN, get this letter so he could conveniently post it on their FB page? I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt for now. I'm sure we'll know the truth tomorrow morning when they either vehemently deny everything or sheepishly hide. Just when you think the past 2 months can't get any more bizarre, it does.

Traitors within their ranks will be the oathkeepers of today who have the courage of their convictions.

Are you sure? The consolidated bills include setting up a "regulatory system" that would require reporting of all ammo purchases (buyer, caliber, quantity) to the state police. I suppose they might let us print out COE type forms to report a person to person, but somehow I doubt it.

Expensive but there. Hopefully a sign of the market thawing.

I apologize, Ray. Obviously careful reading isn't my strength. On a brighter note, has the invasion of S. Jersey picked up in the past couple of years? I know they legalized hunting them, but I haven't heard of many sightings.

Fair enough. It's easy to have an opinion when it doesn't cost me anything.

What high horse? I just said I like and respect him. I have an opinion and I'm respectully expressing it, without being an asshole. You should try the same.