wooly bugger

One more mirror of the SAFE act. Actually, health professionals are already required by law to report dangerous patients, so this is redundant. I don't know about the seizure part. Right now, if they become disqualified, they have to turn in their guns anyway, right? So I'm not sure how this changes anything, except I guess theoretically, they can send in a SWAT team to trash the guy's house. That will go over well on Youtube.

Yesterday's proceedings made clear that none of this has anything to do with logic or common sense. It's all politics. I don't know how to play that game. Cryan continues to introduce new and crazier bills. He's basically trying to outdo NYS point by point. I don't know when the avalanche will ever stop. I wonder if they're purposely staggering them to take advantage that putting some in front of Christie early capitalizes on the Newtown tragedy, while putting some in front of him in November, gives them something to campaign against in the general election.

I don't know if others have noticed this, but Cryan introduced a 1 characteristic bill, including a 7 round limit. http://www.njleg.sta...000/3799_I1.HTM He also introduced one for background checks on all ammo sales. Does anyone know how many we're up to now?

Why has no one publicly pointed out that "harder to aim and harder to shoot" works both ways. Why force mass murders to use the most effective and easy to use close range weapons? Ban MSRs, and we'll see an INCREASE in fatalities. Right now, we actually benefit that most of these psychos waste too much time playing Call of Duty and go for the scariest rifle and the biggest novelty drum they can find. Go ahead, Joe, give them good advice and see what 5 rounds of 00 buck can do inside a classroom. I'd also like to have Jill or some wispy lady on TV shooting first an AR and then a double barrel loaded with a magnum 00 load. Let the people see how easily she shoots well-aimed shots with the AR. And then let them watch her get knocked on her ass by the shotgun.

I agree with no grand gov plot. They aren't organized enough to put together a plot. But at an individual level. Someone calls someone else, who as a "favor" adds a name. No accountability. No appeal. If the list is being used correctly, no one should fear a little due process. The lack of due process to me is evidence that it isn't being used correctly. Same with the drone assassinations of US citizens. If he's guilty, then no one should fear getting a court order to approve the kill. Stepping back from my role as a gun owner, this is actually the most chilling piece of legislation. Carroll put that woman on the spot when he asked what other Constitutional rights she'd be willing to subject to arbitrary denial. She had no answer except, "better safe than sorry!" This whole situation is shattering whatever remaining faith I had in the democratic process. 20 years ago, I never would have thought that the Constitution could be gutted as thoroughly as it has, with so little attention. It's all bread, circus, and flat screen TVs for the hoi poloi.

Here is my fervent fantasy: 1) Training leads to backlog 2) 500k gun owners reapplying for their FIDs next year and another 500k the year after worsens the backlog 3) This goes to court as the de facto ban that it is, and the court overturns it, AND puts in measures to require compliance with the 30 day rule. Or even overturns the whole FID thing (OK, put pipe away...)

OK, here's my correspondence. Dear Mr. O'Donnell, I am writing to express my disappointment in your memorable exchange yesterday with Assemblyman Carroll, which will undoubtedly become a Youtube cult classic. Your ignorance of current gun laws and inability to articulate how the proposed laws will improve public safety is a disgrace. The bill is to take a "second look?" It's actually a third look. FID -> Permit to purchase -> additional background check. All "looking" at the same database. If crime predictably is unaffected by this bill, will you then demand a fourth look? And a fifth? And a sixth, until gun owners simply can't keep up with your arbitrary hurdles? Is this really the best you can do? Could no one in the entire Assembly craft legislation to fix the mental health system? To address drug abuse? To offer an alternative to a life of crime to the have nots? You and your kind have squandered an historical opportunity for real change. All I can say in your defense is that you didn't do much worse than any of the other assemblymen who were eviscerated by Assemblyman Carroll. And the knee jerk vote of your party has publicly exposed that sham you have made of sense and reason. If these bills are worthy of the Democratic machine's reflexive support, why can't anyone put together a paragraph that explains how they are beneficial to anyone but yourselves? Mr. O'Donnell, it is no secret that your allies have called the death of 20 children a "political gold mine," and are abusing the process and desecrating the memory of those children to embarrass the Governor and thus advance your political careers. We are watching, we are organizing, and we are educating. You will hear from us again in November. Until then, if you have a shred of conscience, you will be haunted by the souls of those children you have betrayed. No communion, no confession will remove this stain.

Ah, that's who that moron was. Please someone with technological savvy get that exchange on Youtube.

Carroll should have pointed out, it's actually in most cases a 3rd look. First = FID. Second = PTP, Third is this ridiculous law. I would have asked, "OK, if, after passing your law, there continues to exist crime, will you insist on a fourth look?" There should be some mechanism by which, if someone speaking in favor of a bill curls up into a quivering blob of protoplasm, and none of his comrades can rescue him, the thing is just quietly slipped in the trash can, and we pretend that nothing even happened. ...Casagrande...good! I like her passion.

Wow, If 30 people had the courage to vote for due process in the terrorist watch list, we have some chance. This big bearded guy is awesome! A sliver of hope has returned after the pit of last week's hearings.

Just when you thought things couldn't get any more bizzarro

Does it go to a senate committee with public comment, or just straight to senate vote?

Wasn't the question whether you can shoot someone for stealing your car?

Are we really talking about whether or not it's OK to kill a kid for trying to take your car on a joyride? All the legalities aside, insurance will cover your car. It won't cover the nightmares you'll have for the rest of your life with that on your conscience.

Rock River no longer selling to NYS. It appears that this includes LE, but from what I'm reading on another site, still trying to confirm.

If you join ANJRPC, you can talk to a real lawyer free and get a definitive answer. I just did. That one phone call is worth more than your annual dues.

I agree that replacing Cryan with a pro-2A libertarian is a waste of time. Supporting his primary opponents to get him out of office seems quite doable. I realize that his opponents may be just as anti-2A as him, but it serves as a warning to those who would trample our rights, and after our generous support, the replacement might be a little less aggressive in pushing his agenda.

All I know is there are thousand of college students who could teach you how! Or ask Joe Cryan, who allegedly has no stake in a bar run by his brother, shut down for illegally serving minors. http://blog.nj.com/njv_auditor/2013/01/auditor_where_everybody_knows.html

Midway doesn't

I wasn't around during the initial ban. So what happened to the non-grandfathered guns?

Here's what I'm writing to every assemblyman in the state. I think going after the logic of individual bills might be more effective than asking for an across the board "no" vote. Dear Assemblyman, Tomorrow, you will be asked to vote on a number of important gun control bills. I would like to express concern with one particular set of bills. A3645, A3646, A3666, and A3750 would ban mail order purchase of ammunition. While on the surface, these seem reasonable, I would propose that face to face store purchases actually lead to less accountability than mail order. In a face to face transaction, one needs only present a photo ID, which is easily forged. In a mail order transaction, one must provide a valid credit card and a matching physical address. If you wish to increase accountability even further, you can require the vendor to have an FID on file. Could you explain any flaw in my logic? These are very high profile bills, and you can be sure that if you vote in favor, you will be getting this question from many people. Sincerely,

The double barrel comment is no coincidence. Idiotic as he is, there are smart people behind him to craft his messages. The idea is to go a step ahead and discredit all semi-automatics as necessary for effective self defense. O did the same thing, when he made the comment that "no one is trying to tell you you can't have a revolver at home to defend yourself." To the general public, revolver = handgun. So, once he plants the idea that a revolver is the go-to gun for home defense, it clears the way to go after the much more popular semi-autos.

There are a lot of older hunters who have no idea of what's going on. Last night, I gave a little talk at a meeting of my hunting club and made handouts for each of the members. I'm keeping extra packets to opportunistically distribute. Here are the contents of my packet. Feel free to make your own for distributions. http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/anjrpc.site-ym.com/resource/resmgr/Legislative_Analysis.pdf http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.anjrpc.org/resource/resmgr/files/membership_form_2013.pdf http://www.nj2as.com/resources/PDFfiles/application.pdf?download

According to this article: http://conservativenewjersey.com/hey-democrats-poll-this A Democratic operative called the situation a "gold mine." At least he didn't say a "f'ing goldmine," a la Blagojovich. Here's the quote: "It looks like some of the state’s top Democrats think that Newtown wasn’t about the murder of innocent children and about serious measures to prevent another tragedy. These Democrats think it is about votes. One operative calls it “a gold mine”. Can anyone figure out the source? If so, it's major ammunition. The article was written by Rob Eichmann, but I can't find a way to get in touch with him.

I believe higher cap magazines will be grandfathered. There will be no way to distinguish between a magazine that was obtained before or after the law, and therefore, whether a grandfathered magazine is truly a "grandfather." Unlike a national law, they can't require manufacturers to stamp high cap magazines as "for LE only." So you figure out how this law will be enforced.