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And it's time to remind them that they answer to us, not the converse.

I was on the fence. No, I was in the "it can't happen" camp - until today. I listened to the Gun For Hire Radio podcast and I'm now in. I had a lot of facts wrong. I had figured out the numbers for myself earlier and I must have misread the law. They need 34,000 signatures. They plan on getting 20% extra just to be sure. they have the names and addresses of 50,000+ registered republicans and unaffiliated voters who lean right. Every volunteer will be given a list of addresses to knock on doors and ask for a signature. We won't be knocking on anti-gun owners doors. We'll be knocking on doors of people who agree with us. 3 years ago (maybe it was only 2) there was the rally in Trenton where more than 1,500 showed up in support of gun rights. If we can get half of that number to participate, we can do this in 2 Saturdays. I'm no longer on the fence. I'm in. Partly because I now believe it's possible and partly because if we don't make this happen: there will be hell to pay! Sweeney is an arrogant bully who will seek revenge on gun owners for daring defy his authority. The war is on - we had better win. Remember Colorado. Not only has no new anti-gun legislation been proposed since their recalls: a lot of Colorado democrats are joining forces with the republicans to try to repeal the bad laws. Oh, I'm renewing my NJ2AS membership today. I had let it laps when I was disgusted with their "leadership issues" but Alexander Roubion is very smart and dedicated.

I know what changed in NJ. We all found each other. When the feds tried to grab our guns in 08, a lot of us woke up and joined here, joined the NJ2AS, and found each other on line. We've become inspired to speak out when we were silent before. NJ now knows we're here.

My parents had one. Shot it a lot as a teen. It was my mom's carry gun when they owned a store in the late 70's/early 80's. They have a reputation of jamming but I never had any problems with the one my parents owned. Very heavy for a compact carry guy by today's standards.

And Harrisburg has Or Hamburg, or Delaware. And free parking. And what the heck is a new jersey firearms permit?

Well said.

And maybe someday we'll discover that Lemonaid, Apples, and wearing T-shirts causes diseases. I'm not going to start imagining all of the things that might happen someday and alter my life around them.

I have no knowledge of how immigration status effects NICs checks. But if he's not a prohibited person, being denied by NICS does not make him a prohibited person- it just means he was denied by NICS. If he is legally able to purchase an handgun and NICS either got it wrong or didn't have all the information, what's preventing him from purchasing face to face? That's a real question, I'd like to know.

When does this start? I've heard about it in the beginning but now that they've filed the paperwork, isn't there a time limit to collect signatures? Getting 25% off registered voters to sign is going to be a challenge but it's not Patterson or Jersey City. It's rural South Jersey. If there is a chance anywhere, there is a chance here.

"Advise" is a word - just not the right word. Can't blame spell check for that.

Spell check is now back! I did nothing to fix it. Thanks for all the advise. I've decided it was sun spots.

I picked up Remington's "bucket of bullets" a few weeks ago from Dicks. 1400 rounds for $69. Not a terrible deal in 2015. 3 years ago I would have expected to pay half that. I Shot it for the first time today. I get 1 MOA at 50 yds with CCI Mini-mags from my Ruger 10/22 - That's a 1/2" group. With the "new and improved" Remingtons I was getting 3 MOA with the occasional flyer that ended up way outside the group. The bullets wobble and spin in the casings. I'm not sure what's new and improved.

I know of one guy who got a visit from NJSP when he was shooting on his own property. He was bump firing his AR and somebody called that they heard automatic fire. Troopers showed up, asked a few questions, told him to have a nice day and left. This was Pittsgrove Twp. so it may have been the Woodstown Barracks, not Bridgeton. He farms and was far, far, away from other properties and houses so your mileage may vary.

I'm in Hopewell (the one near you), I shoot in my back yard all the time. There is no state law against discharge on your own property. If Upper Deerfield doesn't have an ordinance, there is none. But, there are always other things they could charge you with if somebody complains. My advice is: don't' call the township. If they haven't passed an ordinance, don't tip them off that they could do so. And since you don't have a local PD, NJSP won't know each township's ordinances. By the way, the ordinance above is for Deerfield, not Upper Deerfield.

Truth! I grew up on a farm. Shot something almost every day after school. I didn't even know that there were people who were anti-gun until I went to college. At college, I met a lot of people who had never held a gun - that was just so bizarre to me. A few were neutral on the issue but several were anti-gun...again, bizarre to me. So I invited them shooting. Even anti-gun people are curious and if the rest of the dorm is going, they aren't going to miss it. It turned into a several time a year event. 4 or 5 cars filled with kids, my trunk packed full of guns and ammo, and a whole day shooting on the farm. Fast forward a couple of decades and a lot of those college kids are now gun owners. One in particular was so anti-gun that the first time I visited her apartment, she had her check written out to Handgun Control Incorporated (now the Brady Campaign). It was sitting on her kitchen table ready to go out in the mail the next morning. 10 years later, she called me up and asked if she could use me for a reference on her P2P application. Take a friend or co-worker shooting. It works.

It's not just guns. I think only one other person here read this and posted "it's come to this". The idea that one adult needs the government's permission to let other adults drink something he's made and that permission is only granted if he first offers a tour of his plant is insane. Over-reach every where.

sorry, PC at home, same computer that had spell check working a week ago.

Spell check no longer happens here for me. I now sound like an idiot. It still works on other discussion forums. Anybody have any ideas what broke?

Dwight, I was filled in on the plan by one of the guys who attended your meeting. It sounds interesting and I hope you have a shot. I'm in favor of everyone who has an idea trying it because eventually, one of us will make it work. But one criticism: less words. It think your ideas are being lost in long paragraphs that very few are reading. I say this as a brother trying to fight the same fiight, who wants you to suceed. If you can condense that down to 400 words, you'll get a lot more support because a lot more people wll bother to read it.

I've thought that we could run a few candidates against the most anti-gun legislators as democrats in the primaries. Nobody turns out for primaries so you can win races with a couple hundred votes. But I don't know that we could take enough key positions to make a difference. Do you have any thoughts on how to get the right people into office that hasn't been tried?

It would be a lot of fun. If a range required you to use their ammo, it would not take long to make their $5K back.

That's it. Thank you.

I saw a video in the last few days. Most likely, I followed a link from here. I've googled and searched this site and can't find it. The probelm is that I don't know what the trap was called or who made it. I'm thinking the name had "quick" in it but since google didn't think so, I'm probably wrong. It was a trap that seemed to have several traps on one frame. It rotated and wobbled as it threw clays. It probably threw a clay every 2 or 3 seconds and they were going in every direction. It looked like a lot of fun. Can anybody point me in the right direction?

The president is not worried about people carrying handguns. That isn't a threat to the system. The president wants to ban rifles - that's where the power of the people lies. Attach it to a funding bill and he'll sign it. The Republicans want Obama to veto it so they an use it to prove that the Democrats and their next candidate hate freedom.

Quick estimate says that 10,000 hour is half a million dollars in ammo.