Carcano

I hope you are not logging handguns out as a FFL to 18 year old buyers, that's illegal.. 18 face-to-face in most states, NJ is 21 both face-to-face and FFL.

Nice lee! don't mean to pry but around how much did it set you back?

I've seen these and they are pretty neat, but in NJ it's the same thing as a full-auto MG so I highly doubt it's legal..

Grab one or two pistol permits when you do the FID so you do not have to go back and apply for pistol permits (more paperwork). Good thing is, 90 days they are valid for and lot's of decent pistols at decent prices..military surplus or police trade-ins at good prices And no, pistol permits will not create an issue with question 26

If I decide to file a complaint I'll do so with the AG, as someone pointed out the county one is too close and likely too friendly with the local PD...and everyone know they work hand in hand making it a dicey move.

Yes, just those 2 forms. The background check might be online (PD will give you instructions on how to complete, total coast $20.00 done online yourself) Check my thread about additional paperwork, if the PD starts pushing additional papers on you it's NOT required that you fill them out/sign them but keep in mind your PD might try and use it as leverage against giving you a permit so be careful and don't make the same mistake I made. Wishing you good luck on your FPID, also HB gave some good info. BTW Get a pistol permit when you apply for your FPID (pistol permit is good for 90 days *I think*) it's $2.00 extra no limit on number of permits just remember only one can be used every 30 days unless you file for an exemption with State Police.

Yes I did I will let this play out and once my permits are granted I'll send them a copy of the city form, etc. not until I have permits and pistols in hand to prevent the PD from slowing my collecting down.. Will update on the progress and the weeks tick by.

So chances are slim the PD could retaliate against me if I go this route? I know I sound like a push over, trust me I'm not but with the situation I described it's easy to understand why I'm being so cautious since I have to live here for presumably a year until this house sells.

Bob how do you file an official misconduct complaint? if it involves visiting the local PD good luck they will trash it before it hits someones desk.

That's the problem, while some NJ2A organizations claim to care (and they do to an extent) they need to start jumping on these issues and forcing PD's to comply with State law. This town is a perfect example of a Dept. abusing it's powers and forcing citizens to comply or face backlash. BTW, they maintain activate files on persons even years after they have passed (my grandfathers FPID/P2P file from the 70's / early 80's is still on file with them).

I know, I hate myself for filling it out and not standing up to the PD but I genuinely fear for my well being if I push the issue. It's a delicate issue in this town. I didn't knowingly lie on the application, any and all information provided is accurate to the best of my knowledge so I'll report back with the results. I made the call to a real estate agent I know tonight and told him I want the house gone, willing to basically dump it in order to leave NJ...wish me luck folks this pushed me over the line.

Here is PART of the city permit: Firearms Applicant Questionnaire Last Name: ____________________________First: _______________________MI____ Marital Status: [ ] Married [ ] Single [ ] Widowed/er [ ] Separated [ ] Divorced Children ?_________ Military Status: Please indicate branch & years of service______________________________/________ Discharge Date: _____/_____/________ Discharge Rank: ______________ Discharge Status: (circle one) Honorable / Other-than-Honorable / Dishonorable / Other. If “Other” Please explain:__________________________________________________________________________ Have any of your immediate family members ever been arrested or convicted of any crime? [ ] Yes [ ] No If “yes” to above, explain ( include where & when) ______________________________________________ Does your name appear in any Domestic Violence Files or on any Temporary / Final Restraining Oders? [ ] Yes [ ] No. If “yes” explain: (include where & when) ________________________________________ Please list all prior addresses for the past 20 years: Start with most recent: 1.__________ / __________ __________________________________ _______________ ______ From To Street Address Town State 2.__________ / __________ __________________________________ _______________ ______ From To Street Address Town State 3. _________ / __________ __________________________________ _______________ ______ From To Street Address Town State Please list the name, & daytime phone number of references used on your NJSP STS-33 application. 1.________________________________________________ Phone # ( )__________-___________ 2.________________________________________________ Phone # ( )__________-___________ Please state your reasons and purpose for obtaining a New Jersey Firearms Identification Card or firearm: ______________________________________________________________________________________ I hereby certify that I have answered all the above truthfully and understand that if any are found to be otherwise, this application may be rejected, and I may be charged criminally & fines may result. Signature:______________________________________ Dated: _____/_____/________ ______________________________________________________________________________________

Will do, If they process my application and everything comes back in a timely manner I'll let it slide until the next batch of permits....at this rate I might be applying for permits every month (going from long arms to pistols, less space).

Puts you in a bad spot, doesn't it? provide the information or receive no permits....challenge the Dept. and they will challenge you for as long as you live in the town. EDIT: The thing is I'm the only occupant (my relative passed and left me the house) so I have no issues with stating that to the local PD, I have nothing illegal and nothing to hide but I believe forcing someone to fill out paperwork for the Dept's own gain is disgusting and leaves you wondering how honest the Dept really is...

It's funny, I'm trusted with LE radio equipment but that isn't good enough...I offered to submit all of my Federal licenses to them, the Capt. went blank for a while on the phone.

Thanks I wasn't sure if this was new or not, at least the State is working on something constructive

Better yet, WHAT would my occupation have to due with obtaining P2P's? If I make under 100K a year am I somehow not good enough in the eyes of the PD?

It's a sign to move out of this town, I'm working over drive to move. BTW is it normal for the PD to not perform background checks anymore? I had to go online and pay $20 on my credit card to complete the background check.

I will tomorrow, I find it DISGUSTING the city thinks (and gets away) with being ABOVE the law.

Again, this is a VERY small town and I know first hand some of the dealings that take place here. Push the limits and this PD might push you...out of town.

When you tell someone they must complete paperwork and you are a police officer acting in official capacity the average person will not push the issue, in this town pushing the issue means the entire town will turn on you. To sum it up, I fear the local PD but the State Police are a great help.

Suggestions on a lawyer? I was thinking of contact Mr. Nappen as he helped me secure my FPID before and didn't want a penny for it.

I was told "Here is our application, you must complete this" That's word for word. The local PD VIOLATED my rights and State law, refusing to fill it out results in no permits.

The difference is I have to live in a small town that has no NJSP presence, if I put them in the wrong the PD might (actually, they will) make my life a living hell. I know how corrupt my town is and how many back-door things take place that push an officers authority to the very limit (and in some cases above). If I could go into one of the NJSP barracks and apply I would as they are helpful and admit only State forms are required. This is what happens people when you move to incorporated areas!

If it means making a case that will stick and prevent the PD from abusing peoples rights, I might take you up on that. My permits should be approved, next batch I might push the limits and take the city to court...the city would wish they had re-read the OFFICIAL MEMO NJSP sent them! EDIT: And yes appealing my town refuses to comply with STATE LAW. NJSP is extremely helpful while this small town PD must have a hard on for control over it's residents.