HBecwithFn7

Welcome from Warren County, NJ!

I think a more critical thing would be having a space big enough to not have any neighbors, who would hear the shots and call 911!

The one with which I'm most familiar is the "Royal Ulster Constabulary" (R.U.C).... Fear not... me/mine are not Sinn Féin, IRA or anywhere near it.

Interesting... Thanks. I didn't realize NJ had such a position.

Not that it matters, since it would seem LEOSA would be in effect for you, but I was simply curious... Is there such a LE position as "constable" in the State of NJ? Or are you a PA "constable?" I've heard of them in PA. Thx.

Welcome from Warren County, NJ!

Which makes sense for them. They have a ton of gun shops in Guam as a result of all the Japanese tourists who come there, wanting to shoot (since guns are, in essence, illegal for civilians to own in Japan).

Yup... Way long ago, in the good ol' days of the classic "cuba hijackings" of the 70's (before the TSA even existed), Mad Magazine did a Dave Berg joke about just that, where the wife is cautioning the husband not to mention anything about IEDs, etc. anywhere in the airport. Husband: "OK, By the way, did you see 'so and so' movie last night?" Wife: "Oh, not that bomb!" Security <whipping out handcuffs> "YOU'RE UNDER ARREST LADY!" The worst it ever got for me was with some of my diving gear. Of course, all the expensive and sensitive stuff (computers, regulators and my UK HID grip light) could not be trusted in checked baggage and had to be carried on. It was the UK HID light that was the problem, and no, it wasn't the "pistol grip." If you notice, there's a locking latch near that grip you have to turn it just right to get the trigger to unlock and the light to turn on. One TSA "person," wanted to turn it on to see if it worked. When I reached for it to show him how, he got defensive backed away from me. I could see that he was not operating the locking latch at all, and just trying to force the trigger to turn the light on (which would have ruined a (at the time) $300 HID light). He reared up as if to threaten me with something (arrest, strip search, whatever), and then went back to trying to force it. I pleaded with him (admittedly with raised voice... my bad...) "You're going to break it... You don't know how to do it!" He still would not let me show him. He just walked away with it to the "head office." A few moments later, both of us now calmed down, he returned with it, seemingly unscathed. Calmed down enough I guess for us both to be civil with each other and wish each other "good day." After that incident, and upon my return home, I never flew with any cave gear again... ever... Haven't since. For a time, the "Auto Train" was a relief (it got me to FL without any such cavity searches), but now, due to their firearms polices (Firearms are "prohibited" anywhere on board the Auto Train), I drive exclusively. I just don't fly at all, these days.

OTOH, many who are not from NJ are, at least, aware of the complexities of NJ gun law and procedure... at least enough to know they never want to set foot in the state, carrying or not! This was the prevalent mindset of the students in my recent MAG-40 class in Florida.

Precisely.

All I can say to this (and to your above post) is that you do not know me, my morals, or my motivations and mindset. You couldn't be more wrong about me. But this is not the time or place to discuss it. For now, just know that for all it's flaws and faults, I have enough respect for the justice system and the rule of law never to take it into my own hands for any reason, even if "me or mine" were ever killed or injured. To speculate otherwise is what is, truly, "ridiculous," and seems. perhaps. to reflect some insecurities on the part of the speculator(s) as well. Trust me sir, I am the very last person that needs to repeat this mantra or be told it in any way, shape or form. And with that, I'm done with this thread.

The only trouble with jury nullification is, unless you already know about it going into a jury, you'll never find out about it in the courtroom, as the subject is totally "tabu" for discussion there by all parties, especially the judge (who might hold the lawyers in contempt of court if they even hint at it). And if you do already know about it, the chances of you getting picked to serve on a jury are far less. You Tube - Jury Nullification Explained

I could comment on this, but I don't want to get the thread moved to the "1st Amendment Lounge." Just remember, CC was, in his younger days, the US Atty for Newark.... Just let that soak in...

At EOD, I don't think it matters one lick what happens at SCOTUS or otherwise. Unless we're able to do a little "Housecleaning..." (and SenateCleaning ) in Trenton, it will never come to fruition here in the PRNJ. They *will* find ways around it. NJ is too "blue" a State.... on *several* levels....

Being discussed here... http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/72096-whats-up-with-peruta/#entry926352

9th Circuit has just denied the CA Appeal!!! :D http://www.scribd.com/doc/246350943/Peruta-Intervention-Denied-Order

I think we're splitting hairs over the definition of "accepting responsibility." OK For the sake of not , let's call it "facing the justice system" instead. Therefore, if you, in the name of exercising your constitutional 2A rights, choose to use firearms having no training or other equivalent experience in handling/using them safely, and your use of them results in a tragic event (death or serious injury, etc.), then you deserve to "face the justice system" and whatever is coming to you in that regard. Of course, you have the right to defend yourself against all that, as with any other criminal or civil charge. No one is expecting you to "admit guilt," which I suspect may be your issue with the phrase "accept responsibility." Likewise, no one is mandating that you get any training, But if you F up (by any means), training or not, you deserve to "face the justice system" and whatever is coming. Better?

That is absolutely NOT what I said. Now, please listen carefully. Absolutely not. But the person who did kill/injure me or mine because they were drunk should rot away in jail for a long time, regardless of what education they may or may not have had about drunk driving. Hopefully, if they *did* have some education, they'd be responsible enough not to drive when drinking/drunk in the first place. Failing that, they should be responsible enough to face the justice that's coming to them. Again, absolutely not! But whomever does cause me or mine death or serious injury, as per the above, should face the stiffest penalties possible. And as long as I'm around, I'll be seeing to that. In post #134 you said BS! If they do something negligent that also happens to be against the law or subject to civil liability, then they most certain do have to accept responsibility for it! And just where I have restricted anyone's 2A rights here? I just said (in post #132), that training should not be required by the govt! It *should* be offered by the industry and the 2A community, and everyone *should* take it, but voluntarily. Still, if you choose to exercise your right (or for whatever reason you choose) not to get that training, and for whatever reason your lack of training/experience results in a tragedy (death or serious injury), you deserve to face all the justice that's coming to you. That's "accepting responsibility."

Yeah, good luck with that if it's me or mine that ever gets killed/injured due to someone's "negligence."

I think we also need either the gun mfgr's and/or dealers, ROs, etc. to initiate a component of this as well, and attempt to get their buyers / customers into training before any weapons are sold/used. Point being, it's all well to accept personal responsibility for one's actions, but gun "mishaps" that result in these kinds of tragedies affect all gun owners, even/especially the responsible ones that do things right. We can't afford the MSM and the Anti's, MAIGS,etc. any opportunity to snipe at us. We need a little bit of self-policing here... not "Govt." policing, mind you... but industry/community self-policing.

None of those things have the immediate potential to kill/injure other things/people as quickly, if used improperly/carelessly. Look, I get the point. It shouldn't be a "govt. requirement." It should be something that "responsible gun owners" do voluntarily (i.e. get training), but should never be mandated by the govt. Fair enough. As long as you also accept responsibility for any mishaps that occur (that you're culpable for) because you elected not to get that training and, otherwise, don't have the requisite knowledge/experience.

USN - I'm just relieved your neighbor survived. I feel bad about the horse and chickens, but it could have been a lot worse. There have been black bear in my Townhouse development. I'm always careful when I take the trash out at night.

Never mind....

The standard Blade-Tech Nano IWB - I got one for my Shield *and* my SW Pro-Series SW1911 sub compact. The Shield I don't feel at all. The SW1911 I can feel a little when carrying IWB.

Std. ol' Levi's 505's for me.