HBecwithFn7

I agree in re: your thoughts about the MSM. Unfortunately, I think the pressure they (MSM) are bringing to bear in re: all these shootings might be just what causes him to sign it into law, or let it lapse into law. Look at this Huffington Post Article that sums up all the shootings since Newtown (which Yahoo just trended to the top). I'm sure the MSM will keep reporting even the slightest incident to keep the pressure up. If CC vetoes it, they'll be all over him in the media, especially, in light of these recent shootings. Can he survive that and be viable? Even if he retains strong GOP support, will he manage to gain enough "sheeples/undecideds" (the one's the MSM is targetting) to take the nomination, let alone the election? Trust me, I want him to veto badly, because I think it's a stupid law, and it won't help curtail these violent crimes (assuming, of course that's why they're pushing it... I'm thinking something different...). But these recent shooting incidents make it a much more difficult decision for him.

I'm not sure what might be "next" after this, for him, if not the White House. But there might be "next things" for his cronies, and we need to remind him of that. If he doesn't think he has a chance at this point, then he may very well let it lapse. If he still has any hope for the White House, or hopes for any of his pals, he'd best veto it unconditionally.

I know of a shop in PA that doesn't allow cell phones in he store at all. When I asked, they told me, "We don't want people taking pictures of the inventory on display."

Like any true HD/SD scenario.... Better to be judged by 12 than carried (or the victim be carried) by 6.

Unfortunately, for similar reasons as a gun, it's risky to the victim I think the bat would be the better choice.

Sorry our stay was so short, but it was my fault for not bringing water to drink. Lesson learned... My nephew had a great time and he will be back soon. We'll be focused on pistol training for him for a while, but he'll be back. Thanks to Lalo for the use of the Saiga! Regards, HB

Richard Martinez, father of one of the USCB victims, but also very strongly anti-gun, even before the incident.

I bring 50 shells, usually. I'll probably bring a little more, as my nephew will be with me. And I'll bring a box of clays.

Precisely. Plus, the shotgun shooter might be able to do a "tactical" reload of one or two shells and come back up firing just to push back whomever might be approaching them...

During my recent visit to Florida, this past month, I had the privilege of being invited to shoot on an outdoor range on a family's private compound. I was gobsmacked about how nonchalant the family was about letting me shoot on their land. It was an open field that backed into a set of woods. The target structures were in front of the wooded area. There were three occupied houses on the compound, plus one available for rent (not occupied at the time). None were in the firing line of the target structure, but were within "listening distance." There were also several neighbor's houses within listening distance of the range/compound. The friend who invited me had me follow him out to the compound (I had never been on it before). He passed his father driving away from it, stopped, and quickly asked him if I could shoot on their range. They talked for like 20 seconds, and then the father drove away in the other direction... just a hand wave to me. We continued into the compound. There were a couple of huge dogs on the compound (one a great dane). My friend goes into his sister's house (the primary resident on the compound), and quickly says "Hey, my friend's gonna shoot on the range a bit..." The sister replies, "Oh... OK, nice to meet you... Hey, you know we should get <insert name> to come and mow that range... nobody's shot on it since last Thanksgiving!" And off we walked onto the range itself. My friend shows me the range, and then says, "OK catch you later... gotta go run some errands..." and leaves me to have at it!. There I was, out there by myself, shooting on a private range on someone's land that I had met only 5 minutes beforehand. The only one's that seem to raise any concern was the great dane and his companion... and even they stopped barking after about 20 minutes. After I finished (about 40min. later), I packed up everything, policed as much brass as I could (difficult in the thick hay grass), and then started to drive up to the front of the compound. I discovered that all of the family had left the compound to do errands (except for the great dane and companion). They had left me there on my own! I was blown away. I absolutely could never imagine this happening anywhere on NJ property for sure!!! I'd be signing all kinds of waivers, etc. None of the neighbors were in sight! Absolutely nobody cared that there were shots being fired within proximity to their houses. Inconceivable in NJ! I'm sure the po-po would be all over that land within minutes of those shots being heard. Just goes to show us what it's really like in the free world.

Yes, there are signs posted indicating that Radar Detectors are illegal in VA.

Your opinion... In this case, the route I take happens to be much more enjoyable scenic wise, has much less traffic, and very little if any difference in travel time. I also avoid the congestion & construction of a major city. And, yes, it does have the advantage of being less scrutinized by LE than other routes. Not that it's totally unscruitinized... after all, there is a MD State Trooper barracks along the route, and usually a patrol sitting right at the MD/DE border, or near the Bay Bridge. So, I'm not really avoiding anything... just reducing the risks a little. Nothing wrong with "reducing risk" where possible, and where it doesn't result in extra time/cost.. And, it's the route I've taken historically, even when I was not "carrying." IMHO, it *would* be silly if I took a much longer route (or took more time), or choose not to travel at all, to avoid a "perceived" issue Yet, travel I did/do.

Correct on both. Most of the construction I encountered in VA (on I-95) was between the beltway and Fredricksburg.

"Reasonable Prudence..." not "Tin Foil...." Besides, the scenery is a lot nicer! :D

Just be very aware of the actual FOPA rules and how the weapon should be stored in your car when traveling under them. Which route are you taking? I just traveled through there a week ago. I usually travel the "Eastern Shore" route, down US 301/US 50 and across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge through Annapolis. I think it better than to travel all the way down I-95 and through the harbor tunnels (where I'm pretty sure there is a lot more "surveillance"). No matter if you come down via the NJ Turnpike (and across the Del. memorial Bridge) or via I-95 down from Chester and through Wilmington (the I-495 bypass is temporarily closed), you can go South on Del 1 (right past Cabela's) and then make your way to US 301, along the Eastern Shore. This eventually joins US-50 as you approach the Bay Bridge, heading towards Annapolis. Then across the bay and the Severn River. Continue on US-50 West until you get to the Capital Beltway (I-495 S again). Go 15 min. south on the Beltway, and you'll be across the Potomac into VA, and you will have bypassed Wash. DC in the process.

As the OP, my original intent for this was self-defense purely for security/safety's sake for my niece, who will be heading off to the DC area for undergrad school. I don't think she'd be into it enough for full MMA and require all the physical conditioning for that. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I think she might very well embrace the Krav Maga, but we want to get her started on the self-defense mindset prior to her departure. I thank all those who PM'ed me with suggestions. I will forward them on to my niece and sister. Carry on with the discussion! Off Topic OK by me...

OK. I am in the process of getting mine also, but it will take time. The first shootout I ever attended there was on a Sunday, when they were also having a license exam on the far side. It also happened to be the only one (so far) that included a visit by the F & W Police, playing "bad ass." The guy sees me first, apparently, and blurts out, "Are you charge?" I pointed to Drez ( )... I have no idea what the problem was, but it didn't look/sound good. Later, though, all seemed resolved and our group remained "in tact" (i.e. no one was "escorted off.")...

But will someone be going that has the "license?"

I dunno about that last shot (with him sitting in front of the table). What's on the other side of that table?

It would seem that the greater impact would be that the few merchants that still sell 15 rounders to NJ residents will no longer sell them.

I had a similar issue in Viña Del Mar, Chile. Their safes were so old, they were "key operated." I think I locked my key inside it. They had to send the "security guy" up with a ring full of keys, but he got it opened, and in my presence, so nothing was taken. Other than the above, I've had pretty good luck with hotel safes, but all prior to my being a gun owner and taking "inventory" with me. For this past Florida trip, I stayed only "overnight" in hotels (when I'm actually in FL it's in a private house that I rent). So there would be no occasion for anyone to enter the room, and I'm in it mostly (unless I'm out to dinner or to the convenience store). In any case, I had all my inventory in "Stack-On like" personal safes, enclosed in a standard Airline overnight rollaboard that is also locked. It may not stop a determined thief, but hopefully, out of sight... out of mind. Besides, my laptop would be more exposed anyway.

If you're driving down, allow extra time. it seems, this past Monday, the Christina River bridge (I-495) was closed as a safety precaution, as 4 of the support columns were discovered to be "tilting" (a la "Leaning Tower of Pisa," although far less severe). All traffic is now being diverted onto I-95 through the city of Wilmington. Not known when it will re-open. CBS - I-495 bridge to remain closed indefinitely. The only other option would be to go down the NJ Turnpike and across the Del. Memorial Bridge. Fear not.... You can still get to Cabela's on Del 1.

At present, mine are enjoying a well deserved vacation in my Florida storage locker... Until we meet again!

Has that changed any since Newtown, or is it about the same?

It may not be a "legal" requirement, but from a "civil liability" context, it's probably better to have one on file than not. Otherwise, I'm betting that most employers would simply refuse to cooperate (i.e. not provide the info.) on advice of corporate counsel. I know my former employer(s) would not. Furthermore, they would not comply unless they are told the specific reason for the inquiry. No, it's not "right," but it's the way it is... On this, we agree wholeheartedly!