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It's been 60 days since I submitted my application with local PD, so I'm going to follow up with a call and e-mail tomorrow. I reached out at 30 days and was told there were "a lot of applications in front of mine" but otherwise it's been radio silence. I'll mention that 60 days has passed, so my app should have been signed and sent over to the court, but otherwise I don't think there's a lot for me to say. The response should be interesting.

In my opinion Strikeforce should be looking into this. I REEKS of collusion where the Identogo people would intentionally block the scheduling in NJ so they can get the extra money for out of state visits in PA and NY. I find it impossible to believe that their NJ locations are 100% booked 100% of the time. The timing of their scheduling issues and the changes to Carry and FID processes is too great a coincidence. Has the makings of a class action suit. Glad I saved my out of state receipt...

Good guy with a gun is arrested in Baltimore after stopping a would-be shooter. He says he's NOT going to accept a plea deal and will be fighting charges: "After Marine veteran Lloyd Muldrow stopped an attack by an armed assailant at a Baltimore bar, police officers thanked him — and then they arrested him. Now the Good Samaritan credited with saving a man’s life faces up to a year in prison, charged with violating a city ordinance that forbids bringing handguns within 100 feet of a public building, even though he neutralized the attack without drawing his pistol. Mr. Muldrow, a North Carolina security specialist, holds a concealed weapons permit, but it was issued in Virginia, not Maryland. Even so, he has no intention of accepting a plea deal when he appears at his Oct. 31 hearing in Baltimore Circuit Court." https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/sep/2/good-samaritan-faces-charges-after-stopping-armed-/ It will be interesting to see how the case turns out in light of Bruen. If he successfully fights the charges it could have an impact on state reciprocity...

I thought is was not allowed (again) in NJ??

Looks like the crisis has been averted. From the link: "UPDATE! UPDATE FROM DAN SCHMUTTER! The Monmouth County Prosecutor’s Office contacted us to tell us that they are no longer requesting that applicants agree to conditions on their permits."

Well done. I didn't realize there was a limit on the number of rounds someone in DC could carry...

True. I'm grumpy now, but I'm sure I'll go back. I do like the people that work there and IMO it's a great place to shoot...

I have no idea what you're talking about. You're the only one advocating that right now. Now you're being obtuse. My point was that requiring a cop to throw bullets randomly down the range XXXX times a month/year means nothing. Instead of ranting like a child maybe suggest something constructive. Like "Qualifier should be XXXXX" or "Qualifier should be done XXXX times a year"? ANY suggestion is better than ranting on a random internet forum. Stop being a drama queen. There are studies that show most cops (75% ?) never draw their weapons outside training. The logistics and expense of requiring that every cop in every jurisdiction maintain a grandmaster level of shooting is impossible and unnecessary. Statistics tell us about distances and situations where cops use guns. Training and qualifying for those situations should be the focus. You display a child-like mentality where you think the YouTube videos you see of police shootings represent the everyday life of every cop. You're not specifically criticizing (or mentioning) current qualifications or what would make them better, you're just pissing and ranting on the internet. But that's OK too. If you feel better after you rant then it's served a purpose! FWIW, we're all gun owners in NJ trying to navigate the most restrictive laws in the nation, so we should be mad at each other. I hold no ill will towards you, and my comments are often tongue-in-cheek, so I apologize if I've offended you.

I never implied that. I was pointing out that there are proficient shooters in both the civilian and police worlds, so it's not fair to say that the average civilian shoots better than the average cop. I think quality trumps quantity, so if there's a qualification course in place twice a year that adequately tests someones proficiency, I think that's better than just some kind of 'range time' requirement.

Agree with this point. IMO, the "average" gun owner has a pistol or two that sits in the back of a closet collecting dust. Once a year (or less) they get the bug to shoot so they dust off the gun, buy some ammo and head to the range. When they get home the gun returns to the back of the closet (without being cleaned) until next year. I don't feel safe shooting next to these guys at the range as shooting is always a novelty to them. For what it's worth, even guys who consider themselves "regular" shooters only go to the range a 2 or 3 times more than the "average" guy. They may have more guns (an AR, shotgun, etc) so they spend a little longer at the range and shoot different guns, but still shoot infrequently. From there you get the more serious "gun guys" who go to the range on a weekly (or a few times a month) basis and probably have experience in club or formal matches. So where does that leave us? Like everything else in life, the more you practice and do something, the more proficient you'll become. That means cops who are "gun guys" and regular citizens who are "gun guys" will be the best shooters. The "average" and "regular" shooters have cop and regular citizens in their population as well, and they will shoot accordingly. I'll qualify my VERY over-simplified rating system by saying it relates only to shooting a gun (accuracy, timing, reloading, moving, etc, etc). I won't get into the combat mindset portion of the debate as I think there are likely buckets for that as well that both civilian and cops would fall into. Going through, or not going through a police academy may not be the best measuring stick for a warrior mindset, but that discussion will stray in a LOT of different directions...

Ummm, I'm just sharing an experience with my fellow forum members...NOT 'complaining' to the shop. I was highlighting how absurd gun shops in NJ have become. I honestly don't give a shit "why" they're doing it. I find it stupid, so I won't shop there. I'll go to places like FSS in Pine Brook. Smaller shop, but last time I was there I was looking at rifles and chatting with a guy that works there when another guy say, "Oh shit, we forgot to ask to see your FID...do you have it?". I pulled it out to hand it to them and they said "No, that's cool. As long as you have it with you".

Yeah, I attribute it to growing pains. For me it was a friggin Glock, not a $5000 Stacatto 2011, so there was no way i was going to break anything, but the counter guy was acting like it was an honor for me to gently hold it over the counter. It was the perfect opportunity for him to say "Yeah, go ahead and get the feel of it. Feel the trigger and the reset then GO RENT ONE ACROSS THE HALL AND TRY IT OUT!". Opportunity missed...

I didn't state it earlier, but my experience was at Gun For hire as well...

It's the iterative steps that arbitrarily appear with NO reasoning whatsoever. - FID - matching Drivers License - you may not dry fire (a Glock in this case) - you must keep the gun over the display case at all times (you can't take a step back to give yourself a little room) while still pointing in a 'safe' direction. If I go to another shop I can just pick up a gun and handle at my discretion (or when it's handed to me if behind a case)...

I didn't say you were angry, just that you appeared to be looking for a fight. I was referring to "You "been around a while" and "tried different techniques" so, you know it all right?". I think most here would recognize that practice/training can be the great equalizer and close the efficiency/effectiveness gap between techniques.

Jeeze @marlintag, you're getting angry but it seems to me that you both AGREE Sometimes we look for a fight where one doesn't exist...

LOL!!! Yes, my rule is that I have to get up and practice NEXT to my desk, not right in front of it!! I've seen too many 'embarrassing' YouTube videos where people get caught on camera...

I think this has turned into a good discussion. Ultimately i think a lot comes down to personal preference and practice. As above, practice is the great equalizer. I work from home a lot, so i'm constantly dry firing and practicing drawing while on conference calls. Helps to pass the time and build muscle memory...

Exactly. Doesn't make a difference. Some guns are made with external safeties, some aren't. Pick the one that works best for you. Carrying (or not) a Glock isn't a badge of honor.

Indeed. My carry pistol has a manual safety as well. I like my Glock(s), but I'm more comfortable with a manual safety being there while tucked away IWB.

If you've lived in NJ you've never carried one. How do you reconcile that with what you posted above? You've NEVER carried one but your clear implication is that you must carry at all times. I've carried in other states but not 100% of the time I was there. I know gun guys, leos, former service members who don't carry all the time either. I go to bars, restaurants, school events, and other places where I can't carry. I could choose to NOT go to those places and live in fear because I can't bring sun with me, but I choose to go out.

Perfect. Some random guy on the internet has the litmus test for what someone needs to know or they "should not be carrying. Your "share with the class" comment is typical of people who want to feel superior and attack others while having no real concept of the issue at hand. If I get a permit with a travel restriction of some kind ill work out the best process to comply, practice it at home, and then execute when I have to. I don't intend on carrying 24/7. Your comment about a crystal ball is meaningless nonsense. I'll cary when/if I feel I should. Go ahead and make up all the pretend scenarios and "what ifs" you want that will paralyze you. Better yet, wait until the process is perfect before you get you permit. No idea why you're choosing to attack me.

No, I'm pragmatic in my approach to it. I've lived most of my adult life in NJ where I was not able to carry a pistol. That meant that if I wanted to go anywhere outside my home I could not carry a pistol with me. I didn't cower in fear because I didn't have a pistol on me. I lived my life. Being able to carry a pistol doesn't change my life at all. If I get a permit I'll carry when i feel it's necessary. For now I'll have to accept that there are limitations to where/when/how I'll be able to carry. Those limitations will be constantly challenged in court (and many likely overturned) but until then I'll follow the law. Wringing my hands and complaining about where I CAN'T carry at this point seems absurd to me.

Carry has never been allowed in NJ so we can make up hundreds of scenarios where nothing is specifically documented. People can go crazy with scenario after scenario, but they're all imaginary at this point. Bottom line, BE AN ADULT and use your brain. If you're unsure about the legality of bringing your pistol somewhere then either leave it home or don't make the trip. If you're concerned about someone seeing you holster up after riding your motorcycle to the middle of a busy shopping center, then don't go.

The qual certificate from Shooters states that instruction was provided on deadly force.