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Why would someone see you loading your pistol and putting it in your holster? You should be easily able to do that discretely. And even if someone did see you, what law would you be breaking? If you have a carry permit the fact that you 'print' or someone sees it for a second when you reach for something on a shelf doesn't mean you're breaking the law. Take a breath. We're at the beginning of gun owners being able to carry. The State will try to keep obstacles and confusion in place. It will be a long process involving lots more litigation.

Congrats! Glad to hear about some movement in Morris county...

Agree

GREAT deal for someone looking for a "go to" rifle...

Unreal. So to address the "overload" the judge isn't doing his/her job of signing off on the application and just letting the backlog grow? Senseless.

Yeah, that's definitely odd and sketchy. If you have a decent rapport with the person in your PD who takes care of the requests I think it's a good idea to contact that person to discuss. You can talk about the fact that you've never been asked that kind of question before and you're concerned that it's out of scope for the permit process. I think contacting the Strike Force makes sense.

Funny, my local PD asked me for a pay stub or business card as well. I gave it to them just to keep the process moving, but what if i was unemployed, self-employed, or FT student??

Cripes! She essentially invalidated the carry permit. Exception #11 is absurd...

I suppose that's a bridge you'd have to cross when you come to it. Unless your gun is stolen from the vehicle I'm not sure of the scenario where it would be an issue.

Same. I presume that someone will break in to my vehicle at some point, so I make a habit of not leaving anything important/valuable in there. I have a truck, so there's a good amount of room under the dash, so i was thinking about mounting some kind of lockbox/safe under there (somehow ).

Duty to retreat ends AT your home.

You guys are funny. Some of you make grand summations and state emphatically that people are "going down" based on short video clips. In this case the homeowner is likely skating away free and clear from any criminal (and probably civil) charges. A couple of clicks to information on the web will tell you that the daughter called 911 and was on the phone with dispatch WHILE the dude was trying to break in. She is heard saying “Dad, is he trying to kill me?”. As the guy starts ramming the door the father tells him to go away and tells him that he's armed. Dude ignores this and keeps trying to break in. After the door breaks OPEN, homeowner shoots 3 times. A County grand jury voted 8-1 against indicting the homeowner on charges related to the killing, citing the state’s “Stand Your Ground” law. So the big "WHAT IF" it happened in NJ?? Who knows, but SO WHAT???? If you have guns to defend you/your family then that's a situation where you use one. If you think about lawsuits at that point you or your family will likely get hurt.

Picked up where?

No need for the soapbox. I'm merely articulating why I agree with flooding the system now. I'd much prefer Constitutional carry.

That's the primary reason i submitted as early as possible. I didn't think the cost was too prohibitive ($90 for qual, $80 for prints, $50 to NJ treasury, $30 for misc notary/paperwork) so I wanted my local PD to get used to the idea that these would be headed their way. (Truth be told, the clerk who handles firearms work in our town is very professional/organized/efficient, so I have no complaints). If there were very few initial applications it would be easy for jurisdictions to slow-walk the process and make it essentially moot. If there are a LOT of initial applications there will be a lot of "oh shit" moments in the police departments and courts that will force them to make changes, so for those who can spare the time/expense to go through the process, I encourage it. With that said, I don't think anyone HAS to get a carry permit. There are guys at my club who give a LONG list of reasons they're NOT getting a permit whenever the topic comes up. IMO there's no need to justify the decision either way. Hell, I know plenty of people in Florida and Texas who are gun guys but have never carried. Getting one isn't a badge of honor or something that makes you a bigger 2nd Amendment supporter than anyone else, just as not getting one doesn't make you less of a "gun guy".

The rifles all had trigger locks, but they were out on the floor in racks for people to handle/inspect at their leisure. Dozens of them. They even had some racks in the side room 'Library' section. Like in this older pic from their store, but not double-stacked. Maybe they went to single stack because people were dropping them:

As recently as 2 weeks ago I was in Cabela's in PA and they had tons of (used) long guns on the floor in racks that you could handle at your leisure. I was VERY close to picking up a cheap O/U shotgun, but it was 20 gauge and I was looking for 12.

This one is brand new, so hopefully it's just growing pains...

Yeah, North Jersey shops have been asking for the FID for a while so I suck it up and deal with it. The addition of DL check, no dry fire, and you can't let the gun move past the countertop was a level of absurdity I wasn't expecting.

I'm old enough to remember the 'good old days' in Nj where you could walk into a gun shop and ask to see a gun from behind a display and the clerk would simply nod and hand you the gun. I gritted my teeth when they started asking to see my FID as they referenced some ambiguous 'legislation' that NOBODY had been charged of. I usually have it with me and it's not worth arguing. I experienced the latest evolution in lunacy on a recent trip to a brand new gun shop. To simply handle one of the empty guns behind the glass display you must show your FID and your matching Drivers License. ALSO, you may not dry fire (a Glock in this case) and you must keep the gun over the display case at all times (you can't take a step back to give yourself a little room) while still pointing in a 'safe' direction. So stupid. As NJ is heading towards more 'normalcy' with carry legislation it seems that our gun shops are headed in the OPPOSITE direction and making shit up to inconvenience their customers. End of rant. It was a long week...

You may want to forward that to the ANJRPC folks. Hard to believe they put something like that in an e-mail... The instructions are pretty specific about that point so it will be interesting to see if they challenge you on it.

Do they do the prints for you or do they make you pay to get them? If they make you pay then I'd contact Nappan's office and see if they'll send a letter to the PD. Shouldn't be happening.

Oooops. Seems like someone in the Quality Control department forgot to make sure powder was going into the casings...

LOL!!!!!!!! Perfect!