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I'm in Morris county and my local PD accepted copies of my Passport and DL. State police says Passport and DL are good - file:///home/doink/Downloads/NJSP_WEBSITE_REVISION_FOR_PTC_v2.pdf

Agree. I submitted my paperwork to local PD on July 25 and I have zero expectations that there will be a 'quick' turnaround. Honestly there's part of me that doesn't expect that the carry permit will be issued at all. I was going to go the "wait and see" route and submit at a future point when everything was worked out, but if there aren't enough people FORCING the PD's and courts to act, that 'future point' would never come, so I got things done early and put them in.

TONS of discussion in this thread:

Respectfully, it sounds like your ego is getting in the way a bit. You want to be able to say you passed a tough qualifier, but you haven't been shooting often enough to be able to. People who live in Florida or any of the Constitutional Carry states would be laughing at you. There's no "qualifier" for them to pass. They have the right to keep and bear arms and they didn't have to get 40 out 50 shots to exercise that right. There's nothing that says you HAVE to get a carry permit, but it you WANT to it makes sense to contact Gun For Hire (Woodland Park) or Shooters (Egg Harbor) who both have qualifiers that any shooter can pass. I'd call to discuss the nuance of qualifying on a 5 shot revolver.

Respectfully, you sound like a jackass. Most (if not all) of the people who have posted in this thread have stated at one point or another that requiring a 'qualifier' for a Constitutional right is absurd. It's like requiring some kind of test to vote in the next election. With that said, the law of the land requires a qual. If you're going to take one it makes sense to prepare for it. That means understanding what the course of fire is at different locations, selecting the one that's right for you, and preparing for it. I would have your brother in law contact Gun For Hire. They seem to be the tip of the spear on most things concerning the current CCW process so I would expect they would do as much as they could within the current laws to accommodate someone with a disability.

In my opinion you'd be better served by contacting Shooters (Egg Harbor) or Gun For Hire (Woodland Park). NEITHER range has you do the qual from a holster. It's all from a bench or low ready, so that immediately eliminates that factor for you. The course of fire for both is easier than anything i've read about the HCQ courses that other have taken, and I'm sure either place would come up with something reasonable for a 5 round revolver. As others have mentioned, you absolutely should practice before doing the qual. I appreciate that you're probably a confident shooter, but IMO there's no excuse for you going into the qual after not putting any rounds downrange for over 3 years. You could dry fire with your revolver for a few hours a day if you wanted.

No idea where you're located but IMO you should try Shooters. It covers what you're looking for and is much cheaper than the prices you mentioned.

Take a deep breath my friend. You're looking WAY too far into things...

I agree with your points regarding the necessity of having to shoot a "qualifier" before exercising a right. Kind of like asking people to pass a test before voting. With that said, it's the law of the land, so if the ranges that participate in qual's want to keep their certification, they have to abide by the law. I took the course at Shooters and I didn't mind it at all. The "shouting" was just so people could hear the commands. It wasn't like a ranting drill sergeant running back and forth shouting at you to "hurry up maggot!!!". In the classroom the RO explained the commands he would use, and he explained them again in the range before shooting started, so there really wasn't any confusion about what you were supposed to do. Keep in mind that Shooters is the most cost-effective option I've seen referenced thus far, so factor that into things as well. If you want to mitigate the reloading issue at Shooters just show up with 5 loaded magazines. I think this thread has descriptions of several different courses of fire at other ranges, so pick the one that's most attractive to you. I would have used GFH but I was in South Jersey for a few days so I went to Shooters.

Agree

Not sure why you're leaving anything to chance. IMO you should get clarity before you go, or schedule somewhere else where they specifically accommodate revolvers.

Wow. I wonder what those will look like...

No. "Points" are hits on the target. Making you load mags and listen to barking commands while trying to hit the target was an attempt to put the shooter under a level of "stress". Obviously it can't replicate the stress encountered while in an actual shootout, but it's done to get you off your game a bit and make it different than slow-firing at a paper target.

I did it with one of my boys several years ago. They had us put on a period-correct shirt and cap and then let us shoot two different flintlocks. The armorer talked for a bit about the history of flintlocks and then we went to the range. They had a guy who took care of loading, but we cocked , aimed, and shot the guns at paper targets. I don't remember how much it cost, but we enjoyed it.

Here are some .380. Pistol Length/(Barrel Length) Height Slide Width Weight Capacity Action Type Thumb Safety Price Kahr CW380 4.96 in / (2.58 in) 3.9 in 0.75 in 10.2 oz 6 Striker Fired $298.99 Ruger LCP II 5.17 in / (2.75 in) 3.71 in 0.75 in 10.6 oz 6 SA Hammer Fired $299.99 SIG Sauer P238 5.5 in / (2.7 in) 3.9 in 0.818 in 15.2 oz 6 SA Hammer Fired ✔ $599.99 Glock 42 5.94 in / (3.25 in) 4.13 in 0.83 12.17 oz 6 Striker Fired $399.99 S&W Bodyguard 380 5.3 in / (2.75 in) 3.78 in 0.75 in 12.3 oz 6 DAO Hammer Fired ✔ $349.99 Walther PPK 6.1 in / (3.3 in) 3.8 in 0.865 in 22.1 oz 6 DA/SA Hammer Fired ✔ $629.99 Beretta Pico 5.1 in / (2.7 in) 4 in 0.725 in 11.5 oz 6 DAO Hammer Fired $278.00 Colt Mustang Lite 5.5 in / (2.75 in) 3.98 in 0.752 in 13.7 oz 6 SA Hammer Fired ✔ $499.99

I'm a fan of 9mm. Image Name Rating Price Smith & Wesson M&P M2.0 (4.7/5.0) $419 Sig Sauer P365 (4.7/5.0) $649 Glock 43 (4.4/5.0) $399 Walther PPS (4.7/5.0) $549 Springfield XD-S (4.8/5.0) $459 Sig Sauer P938 (4.3/5.0) $699 Springfield Hellcat (4.5/5.0) $529 Taurus G3C (4.3/5.0) $299 Glock 19 (4.6/5.0) $649

Jeeze, they're really screwing you. Contact GFH and see if you can schedule a one on one session to get the NRA qual taken care of. Or just go through the GFH qual. And make sure you're sharing this with the ANJRPC. They'll want to start chasing Randolph with litigation over this.

The form you get from Shooters will state that you have: - "successfully completed a permit of carry course demonstrating 'that he is thoroughly familiar with the safe handling and use of handguns' in accordance with N.J.A.C 13:54-2.4(b)" - Qualifying on Handgun Qualification Course and has received a minimum score of 80% ( I actually scored 100%, but I understand the form letter thing) - Instructor certifies that "I have provided a course of instruction to the above-named applicant on firearms safety and have also given instruction on deadly force issues"(they have it in bold on the form) I presume that covers the bases. We will see.

I always keep a few empty boxes around from previously used factory ammo for occasions like this. I did my qualification at Shooters and they told me to bring "100 rounds of factory ammo", so I showed up with 100 rounds of reloads in Winchester boxes. They didn't check, but most of the brass I use is Winchester so I don't think it would have mattered. If they were strict about it I would have purchased a couple of boxes from them with no argument.

Same. Paperwork dropped off and fingerprinting completed 7/25/22. Now it's a waiting game.

Lots of arguments back and forth on both sides (should have lots of training if carrying vs no training should be REQUIRED to carry) but i think most can come together in agreement on the above points...

"Announced late Thursday, the Axe is compact, with a 16-inch barrel and 26-inch overall length. Chambered in .410 bore, it feeds through a side loading gate and has a magazine tube that holds five 2.5-inch shells. While threaded for invector-style chokes, it is not technically a shotgun and is instead classified as a “firearm” by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives, which means it is not regulated under the National Firearm Act." https://www.guns.com/news/2019/12/20/henry-debuts-lever-action-axe-410-non-nfa-firearm

Not sure if you're serious? Local PD has never done this before, so they're working to understand and execute on a new firearms process. They have things temporarily on hold while they work out their issues and your recommendation is to spend hundreds/thousands of dollars (depending on the lawyer) to send threatening letters? How about pausing ans working WITH the police department to smooth out the process. Provide them with as much information as possible and share what other municipalities are doing? Refer them to a contact in a city where permits are being processed and tell them to follow suit? Be respectful and direct them to Nappan and/or other lawyers for reference? IMO waiting an extra 30 days for something that has never been available will go a long way to building good will with your local PD...

Yeah, talk to Reloaderz and see if they'll make a special form for you (or amend their current one). IMO your police department is full of shit and breaking your balls. NJ State Police has Reloaderz listed on their website as a range to use for qualifications, so your local PD is a step behind: https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/shooting-ranges.shtml

I think your local PD doesn't know what they're talking about. According to their website, Reloaderz uses the HQC-1 course of fire, so that would be more than adequate.