BBQ Tabby on a stick is very good.

You are dead to me!

HAHA, and we have two appetizers( I mean Cats ) as well. One I like, she likes my reloading room and acts like a dog, and the other one I hate. He is a pain in the a**.

 

 

Lcpl Daisy and PFC Scrunchy of the Feline Home Defense Corps, did NOT find these comments amusing... I have been isntructed to give you 2 "Hairballs"...since they dot have thumbs to put down.

Speaking of stocking up on canned food, I thought canned food was supposed to be good indefinately. They used to not have dates on cans, now they do.

 

Did they find that they don't stay as long as once thought or is it a marketing ploy to get you to use it or throw it away and buy more?

probably from everyone stocking up, they are running out of cans to pack food into. lmfao

Speaking of stocking up on canned food, I thought canned food was supposed to be good indefinately. They used to not have dates on cans, now they do.

 

Did they find that they don't stay as long as once thought or is it a marketing ploy to get you to use it or throw it away and buy more?

 

I saw something on the news last week I believe that stated expiration dates are for worst case scenarios; Milk in a fridge not that cold or dry goods/bread in a humid environment. if you refrigerate your cans they might outlast the roaches.

Make sure you buy cans that have plastic coated interiors so the food doesnt interact with the metal. I believe most do these days.

Make sure you buy cans that have plastic coated interiors so the food doesnt interact with the metal. I believe most do these days.

 

Some manufacturers actually use a lacquer type paint.

I watched The Crazies last night. If the zombie apocalypse is something like that we're in trouble. Pretty good flick. I didn't know George Romero directed it until I was watching the credits.

Brock Eisner directed actually, but its a remake of Romero's 1973 movie of the same name.

Make sure you buy cans that have plastic coated interiors so the food doesnt interact with the metal. I believe most do these days.

 

Some manufacturers actually use a lacquer type paint.

 

Sounds delicious.

Here's another nice little prep list:

http://www.struck.us/CheckList/Disaster ... klist.html

 

I find these check lists interesting because everyone has a slightly different take on things and they help flesh out my own lists.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/survival/

 

Another survival site.

 

Apocalypse Chow

http://www.survival-center.com/dl-list/dl30-pak.htm

 

Everything Involves a Priority Choice

 

While the survival retreat concept gets all the headlines in the hard money newsletters, its share of actual dollars invested is insignificant. From my experience as the architect most often involved in survival housing, the majority of client energy and funds are devoted to residential upgrade and preparation within the bounds of suburban or semi-rural living. Why? Frankly because very few people have the time, money or inclination to separate themselves completely from society even though they believe that difficult economic and social problems will be forthcoming.

 

100% rural self-sufficiency is almost impossible to achieve on anything more than a hermit level. Even then it is either all-time consuming or inordinately expensive and probably both.

 

In the final analysis then, everything in the survival and self-sufficiency field is a compromise or trade off of one lesser asset for another more important to you. If you want isolation to have security, then you usually sacrifice social ties, time and gasoline in commuting, and maybe electricity, telephone, and leadership opportunities.

 

There are ways of overcoming these compromises--if you have enough money, additional manpower and equipment; but you may become so sophisticated that you aren't self-sufficient any more. No two individuals or families should utilize the same self-sufficiency plans.

 

Here are the Essential Steps

 

 

Begin reading non-governmental analyses of the state of the nation. Specifically: political, economic, social, military, and moral trends. Reading recommendations include:

 

PERSONAL FINANCE newsletter

901 N. Washington St. suite 605

Alexandria, Va 22314

 

Gary North's REMNANT REVIEW

P. O. BOX 39800

Phoenix, AZ 85069

 

 

 

Analyze the condition of your local state and community as to long term survivability in a crisis:

Most favorable criteria are:

 

a. low population density (50 people per sq. mile or less)

b. High level of religious, moral character.

c. Lack of highly unionized heavy industry, or welfare populous.

d. Strong local autonomy with little attachment to federal funds.

e. Diversified economy with an agricultural base.

 

 

 

Make a series of decisions based upon your national and local assessment as what problems you most likely will encounter. Note: You cannot come to a proper design of a self-sufficient or survival residence unless you have determined what shortages, crises, or threats you face. The better your research, the more accurate your predictions will be.

 

Read the Survival Home Manual and study the essentials of survival residential design to determine what your present home lacks and what is available in new or remodeled survival construction.

 

Determine, financially and security wise, whether you should remain in your present home and remodel, move and build or buy a more suitable home. Consider job, and/or commuting time. It is imperative that you do not destroy your income producing ability unless you have other means or opportunities to turn to which will survive most economic downturns. Don't be tricked into thinking you can go "live off the land". The capital required for machinery and non-growable necessities will require substantial monthly income.

 

Start saving and begin a monthly procurement plan for acquiring the items listed in the 10 packs for survival. Do it each month--don't wait for enough money to accumulate for a one time purchase of everything--it may not be readily available then.

The foregoing introductory material is essential in order to appreciate the following survival design criteria. The quantity of preparedness features I will describe may not be necessary in every case, depending on the relative security of the location you choose to live in. Remember, the more self-sufficient and secure the area in which you live, the less it costs you to prepare for personal survival,,

 

Primary Faults of Conventional Housing

 

The following are the six essential liabilities of the conventional residential structure:

 

 

Lack of security (fire, intrusion, vandalism)

Poor resistance to heat, cold, wind, and sun.

Lack of storage facilities (food, dry goods, machinery etc).

Poor floor plan efficiency (costly wasted space, lack of emergencyaccommodations)

Single source of heat for space heating, water heating, ,@Ind cooking.

Single source of water and electrical power.

Design Criteria

In my actual design work, the most common concern expressed by the wife of a client is that the home not look like a fortress or a bunker. This is not only possible but preferable. There is no benefit in becoming a known target for resentment during hard times. The best survival residences are designed to look completely conventional both inside and out, so that you may stay within the bounds of society without appearing as an extremist and encouraging undue resentment.

 

The properly designed survival residence has within its walls and private recesses all the equipment and design technology that allows you to maintain a nearly normal lifestyle throughout a crisis. This is extremely important to the family man who must maintain his income during hard times. He cannot afford to take time off from work to heat hot water over a camp stove during an electrical outage or stand guard over his house day and night when major civil disturbances occur.

 

The following are some of the major design features of a survival residence:

 

 

Independent well water and/or water storage facilities integral with the home

Multi-fuel furnace (burns at least three different fuels)

Reserve or standby electrical power

Multi-fuel cooking facilities, and water heating equipment

Secure walls, doors, and windows with intrusion monitoring equipment

Superior energy-conserving structural design utilizing solar and underground design where possible

Secret and semi-private storage facilities which include a fallout shelter

Maintenance and repair facilities with appropriate tools

Greenhouse and other food production facilities

Internal communications equipment

If you are questioning the potential costliness of a full survival residence, consider this: it is not intended to discourage you from acting due to lack of sufficient funds, but rather to show you the importance of ordering your financial priorities In order to start preparing in the most critical areas first. In all cases, never place all of your available funds into one, or even two areas at the exclusion of all others.

If, in the final analysis, you find that not all of your self-sufficiency preparations were utilized, you will have at least spent many a restful night with the assurance that you have done everything within your ability to prepare you and your family for realistic potential difficulties.

 

Both those who wish to relocate permanently and those who may simply desire to construct a vacation retreat cabin elsewhere will need some guidance as to the best areas for security: We have made available to our clients the most comprehensive security map covering the entire United States, both as to the most dangerous areas and the most secure areas. It represents many years of research and analysis and may be ordered direct from the architectural and planning division using the order form at the end of this booklet.

 

Food Pack

 

200 lbs/person, hard winter wheat 50 lbs/person,rice 50 lbs/person, beans 10 lbs/person, honey 25 lbs/person, powdered milk(non-instant type) 6-months supply normal canned goods and bottled fruit

 

1-large bottle 1000mg VITAMIN C 1-large bottle multiple vitamin 2-clove garlic (nature's anti-biotic) (keep refrigerated)

 

4-#10 can/person dehydrated fruits and vegetables (use for variety-not for bulk) Salt, pepper, spices Oil (keep refrigerated)

 

Water Pack

 

 

1- portable water washer filtering kit (from american water purification co. 1990 @olivera rd. Concord, ca 94520)

1/person water straw individual filter straw (from american water@purif.)

1-pack scientific filter paper (cone) (12v diameter papers)

1/person 10 gallon glass distilled water bottle. (date and seal with stopper and tape. Wrap on bottom and sides with dense foam carpet pad to protect against earthquake or jarring.

1-bottle halazone tabs. Or regular chlorine bleach for water purification.

Power Pack

 

1-mobile, self-contained 3kw 120/220v generator (diesel or gasoline/gas) with one month fuel supply in portable tanks

1-12 volt auto battery with carry strap trickle charger, and jumper cables and 12v light attachment

1-100 ft. 4-plug heavy duty extension cord with built in light bulb (rough duty rated) in a "cage"

2-hand-operated flashlights (item #605-771w695 from us general catalog 100 general place, @jerico n.y. 11753)

2-nicad flashlights (item # 852-5350w us general catalog)

1-long range police-type flashlight with extra bulbs

Supply of nicad batteries with charger:

8-D cell

4-D cell

16-AA cell

2-9v transistor type

Med Pack

 

 

Blood pressure gauge (electronic)

Stethoscope

Bandage scissors

Long tweezers

2-locking forceps (1-curved point)

Disposable scalpels

Thermometer (oral and rectal)

Inflatable splints

Bandages elastic, self adhesive band-aids large compress type with straps.

Sutures (dissolvable)

Cotton backed adhesive tape

Gauze

Aloe vera burn ointment

Anti-biotic ointment

Aspirin

Rubbing alcohol

Ipecac syrup (to induce vomiting)

Container of sterile water (1 qt)

Clean absorbent cotton rags

Soap (liquid)

Long stemmed cotton swabs

Transportation Pack

 

 

1/person: 10 speed bicycle with heavy. Duty tires, rack and carriers, lights

1 emergency vehicle (recommend vw vanagan with trailer hitch, locking gas cap, and camper options. Install bike racks front and rear, and extra 30 gallon gas tank. Carry oil cans two flashlights emergency tool kit: extra fan belts, metric wrenches and sockets, oil filter, air filter fuel filter, spark plugs, points, condenser, fuses, light bulbs, head light, tire pump, aerosol tire repair sealer, jumper cables, tow cable w/hooks, inflatable raft (4 man) with paddles.

1-250cc motorcycle equipped for road and off road use. Add equipment and extra fuel tank carriers.

Travel Pack

 

(These items should be packed in portable "duffle bags" ready to go)

 

 

1-qt water per person

2-"energy bars" per person

Dehydrated food pack for one week dried fruit, vegetables, meat flour, oil, salt, pepper, spices vitamins, honey,peanut butter crackers, protein powder, powder milk

Collapsible 5 ga. Water containers

"Water washer" filter

Lightweight cook kit large pot, dishes, spoons, forks knives, cups, non-stick skillet spatula, can opener, large spoon

Towels

2-water proof nylon tarps

Change of clothes for each person

Coats,

1-thermal blanket

1-sleeping bag / person

Matches, fire starter

Compass, maps of areas of intended use

2-rechargeable flashlights

12v trouble light w/@cig. lighter plug

First aid kit

Toilet paper,

Soap

1-pocket knife

1-fishing kit

1-large bowie knife (western cutlery) (perfectly weighted to serve as both fire knife and hatchet etc)

1-small portable mt. Climber's stove

1-back pack with frame

Paper, pencil

Signaling mirror

1-manual flashlight

Whistle , portable cable saw

Small bottle of bleach, insect repellent.

Magnifying glass

100 ft. 1/2 dia. Goldline rope,

2 pulleys

50 ft. Nylon "shroudline" cord

.22 caliber pistol w/ 500 rds. Ammo.

Communications Pack

 

Multi-band receiver/scanner

1-citizens band transceiver

2- 3 channel portable transceivers rechargeable batteries,p ortable power pack, antennas

1-small portable television (battery operated)

Equipment Pack

 

 

1-grind all grinder(for wheat, corn beans, peas, nuts etc.) Ram Products 765 S. University Ave. Provo, UT. 84601 1-grain country bread mixer. Food Science Corp. 95 N. 200 E American Fork, UT 84003

1- Victorio strainer (Vitantonio Corp Willoughby, Ohio 44090)

1-hand operated can opener

1-steam canner with canning bottles w/lids and rings for two seasons cutlery: high quality knives:

Peeler/filet knife

Pairing knife (short small)

Long slicing knife.

1-portable electric icebox 12v. Koolatron industries limited, 56 Harvester Ave. Batavia , NY 14020

Kerosene lamp/heater by aladdin

Two burner kerosene or propane stove with one month fuel supply

Hand operated clothes wringer

Treadle sewing machine or treadle attachment for your electric machine

Portable electric hot plate

Fire extinguisher (portable)

Defense Pack

 

 

.22 cal.pistol (9-shot revolver or 15 shot auto) w/ 1000 rds. ammo.

.22 cal. rifle w/1000 rds. ammo.

45 cal. auto pistol w/ 100 rds. ammo.

.223 rifle (mini14 by ruger) w/ 500 rds. ammo.

2- canisters of aerosol mace

1-pocket knife

1- bowie knife

Tool Pack

1- 250 amp portable arc welder

Pelletized oxy-acetylene torch

Propane torch w/spark lighter

Solder/flux (electrical and non)

Allen wrench set

Nut driver set

Tap & die set (national course,fine)

Socket set & ratchet handle, @extens.

Channel lock pliers

2-adjustable "crescent" wrenches

Needle nose pliers with wire cut.

Vise grip pliers with narrow jaw

Metal chisel

Wood chisel set

Metal punch/drift

Tin snips

Claw hammer

Small, large screwdrivers

Small, large phillips screwdrivers

Hand operated twist drill

Auger expansion bit with brace

Hack saw

Bow saw

Handsaw (10 pt teeth)

Large pry bar/wrecking bar

Ax

Hatchet

Small block and tackle or 'come-a-long" hand operated winch.

Glue assorted

Nails, nuts, bolts, screws

Electric multi meter,

110 circuit test light

Barter

These items generally meet all of the following criteria for Barter

 

 

High consumer demand

Not easily home manufactured

Durable in storage

Divisible in small quantities

Authenticity easily recognizable

Liquid detergent,

Laundry detergent

Rubbing alcohol

Bleach

Toothbrushes

Razor blades

Toilet paper

Aluminum foil

Writing paper, typing paper,

Pens,

Pencils, erasers

Shoelaces, string, cord, rope

Fishing line

Insect repellent

Water repellent

Paint, varnish

Matches

Watches

Tape

Light bulbs

Needles, thread, zippers, buttons

Aspirin, vitamins, other drugs

Seeds, grain, sugar,

Coffee, liquor, cigarettes

Anti-biotics, burn ointments

Safety pins

Manual can opener

Knives

Canning jars, lids, rings

Shoes, boots, socks, nylon stockings

Underwear,

Winter clothes

Coats

Blankets

Hand guns, rifles,ammunition

Fuels (all types)

Quarts of multi-vis motor oil

Anti-freeze

Wire

Glues

Bolts, screws, nails

Nice lists, sites, and info guys.

 

I just wanted to touch on one thing briefly since I don't think its really been discussed in this monster thread yet.

 

The conversation of BOL (bug out location) has come up a few times. Whether its having family/friends you can trust that live in [relatively] isolated areas, or if you could actually afford one, its not as impossible as some people think. However, where I think a lot of people forget is that BOL are just as susceptible to being broken in to by either humans or critters. Also, they must keep it stocked and up to date. Having food and medicine is no good if its expired.

 

The other thing I wanted to talk about is rationing. I've read a lot throughout this thread about people's preparation for rationing, which is definitely good. But how many people are prepared to ration their resources (to include food, medicine, water, tobacco sticks for those types, etc)? I've had to watch my intake and whatnot in the field and training exercises, as well as making due with whatever materials I've had on more then one occasion. However, having lived back in the civilian world, I've grown accustomed to the supermarket system again-- aside from the occasional hiccup because of panic shoppers. Along with being physically prepared, people have to develop/understand the mental strength required.

 

The explanation for "rationing" applies to a lot of other things as well... though its considered "training" overall I suppose. Having a firearm does not mean the individual knows how to manipulate the firearm in a stress situation-- or even in a normal field situation. With the exception of military and LEOs, how many people have hands-on experience/time with just carrying a rifle (or other primary system) around? Not necessarily even engaging, but in "slung" mode? Walking to and from a stall or bench or even around a house or property does not equate the same preparedness (though, I suppose it depends on how big your property is!). I think the best solution, short of joining the Armed Forces, is to take a firearms training course... or a bunch for that matter.

 

By the way, I'm not saying this is how it SHOULD be for every firearms enthusiast. However, I think if any body is serious about using firearms to protect themselves and/or their property and family, then they have to be "meet the standard." Otherwise, especially in a SHTF situation, they are a huge risk to themselves and anybody else around them.

 

ETA: Watched The Crazies (remake) finally. I thought the ending was kind of cliche, but I thought overall it was pretty well done-- even for a "zombie" flick. I like how it was up front and in your face from beginning to end, but without necessarily having those "oh gosh, its a zombie movie" moments.

Very Disturbing..

 

Very Disturbing..

 

 

Even more disturbing:

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How did my daughters favorite show and one of her favorite characters make it to the zombie thread!!!!????????!!!!!!!!!

 

I guess everything comes full circle.

 

Yo Gabba Gabba!!!

Back on track people!

 

How 'bout a flamethrower for the ZPAW?

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oh no! flamethrowers = zombies with fire damage

 

now instead of just zombies running at you there will be zombies running at you WHILE ON FIRE!

I was thinking the same thing actually.

Remember. Before the Zombie Apocalypse starts, Everyone needs to get their Zombie hunting permits.

 

hah love it!

Remember. Before the Zombie Apocalypse starts, Everyone needs to get their Zombie hunting permits.

 

 

Is this only required in the state of New Jersey?

Remember. Before the Zombie Apocalypse starts, Everyone needs to get their Zombie hunting permits.

 

 

Is this only required in the state of New Jersey?

Yeah, with a 14 month waiting period, fingerprints with a matching rectal scan and a $1500 fee to provide a start for the Zombies are people too lawsuits that will be filed by the ACLU.

Yeah, with a 14 month waiting period, fingerprints with a matching rectal scan and a $1500 fee to provide a start for the Zombies are people too lawsuits that will be filed by the ACLU.

 

Did you say rectal scan? :shock: :puke-huge:

Yeah, with a 14 month waiting period, fingerprints with a matching rectal scan and a $1500 fee to provide a start for the Zombies are people too lawsuits that will be filed by the ACLU.

 

Did you say rectal scan? :shock: :puke-huge:

 

Yes...Deep Rectal Scans :shifty: :shock:

Yeah, with a 14 month waiting period, fingerprints with a matching rectal scan and a $1500 fee to provide a start for the Zombies are people too lawsuits that will be filed by the ACLU.

 

Did you say rectal scan? :shock: :puke-huge:

 

Yes...Deep Rectal Scans :shifty: :shock:

Not to get too far off topic, but why is it that every schmuck who claims to have been abducted by aliens says that they were subjected to anal probing? I would think that any civilization advanced enough to accomplish interplanetary travel would sort of know what the lower orifices were for without having to invade them.

 

Maybe they just enjoy watching us squirm.

Yeah, with a 14 month waiting period, fingerprints with a matching rectal scan and a $1500 fee to provide a start for the Zombies are people too lawsuits that will be filed by the ACLU.

 

Did you say rectal scan? :shock: :puke-huge:

 

Yes...Deep Rectal Scans :shifty: :shock:

 

For anyone looking to save a few bucks, Matt offers this service at a deep discount. The only thing is you may feel two hands on your shoulders during the exam.

 

Did you say rectal scan? :shock: :puke-huge:

 

Yes...Deep Rectal Scans :shifty: :shock:

 

For anyone looking to save a few bucks, Matt offers this service at a deep discount. The only thing is you may feel two hands on your shoulders during the exam.

Nicely done. :clap:

Not to get too far off topic, but why is it that every schmuck who claims to have been abducted by aliens says that they were subjected to anal probing? I would think that any civilization advanced enough to accomplish interplanetary travel would sort of know what the lower orifices were for without having to invade them.

 

Maybe they just enjoy watching us squirm.

Maybe a doc can chime in, but from my understanding an entire person's medical history can be found by sifting through their feces. That seems like more of an in-direct thing though, haha.