Wow Chad, just WOW. Serve, set, SPIKE all in one sentence.

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OMG..... GOMBIES!!!!!!

OMG..... GOMBIES!!!!!!

 

or maybe.. ZOMBAYS

 

OMG..... GOMBIES!!!!!!

 

or maybe.. ZOMBAYS

 

 

or could be... zombhaaaaaay

OMG..... GOMBIES!!!!!!

 

or maybe.. ZOMBAYS

 

 

or could be... zombhaaaaaay

 

heeeeeey zombhaaaaaay lmao

LOL

That's looks Fabulous!

 

Was that matt as one of the co-stars?

holy guacamole, this thread almost went the page 2!

 

can't let that happen again

This is from the G4 Underground episode where they interviwed and talked to some members from the Zombie squad.

 

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By the way, If anyone wants to watch the complete episode, it can be seen through Xbox live or Zune. Its on the G4 network and the show is called G4 Underground. The zombie episode is called Hackers and Zombies.

check out this link:

 

http://g4tv.com/videos/41770/Best-Catac ... pse-Blogs/

There are some common personality traits that most survivors have in common. The following is a list of the 4 most common traits of people who have survived extraordinary situations.

 

1. Survivors stay Calm in the face of Danger.

 

A survivalist has the ability to stay calm in the face of whatever life may throw at him. It

4. Survivors are Great Leaders

 

They know how to make the tough decisions that will keep the people around them alive. During an emergency situation, while most are panicking and making stupid mistakes, a survivalist will stop, ASSESS the situation and then take action. They are the ultimate leaders!

 

Fixed that for you.

When SHTF im going to hopewell, NJ to find this guy and take his house..

 

A man in New Jersey has built a homemade pollution free power plant that gives him all the free power that he will ever need. It is the first solar-hydrogen home in North America.

 

http://offgridsurvival.com/powerplantoffgri-2/

When SHTF im going to hopewell, NJ to find this guy and take his house..

 

A man in New Jersey has built a homemade pollution free power plant that gives him all the free power that he will ever need. It is the first solar-hydrogen home in North America.

 

http://offgridsurvival.com/powerplantoffgri-2/

 

Nice...only cost 150k.

 

Far as I can calculate, that's about 100 years worth of electricity at my current usage rate.

OK, I had to post here because this thread was about to fall off the first page, which cannot happen.

 

I figure I would bring up the dilemma that I'm currently facing. I could easily discuss this in the Optics and Accessories thread, but I figure its more fitting here. The quasi-dilemma I'm facing is that if/when SHTF, should I rely on my EOTech or my 1-4x variable power scope?

 

The EOTech model I have runs off AAs, which I chose on purpose considering the popularity of AA batteries. Regardless of how long it can run compared to other brands, batteries can/have to be replaced for whatever reason eventually... and if anything, its just good to keep the batteries as fresh as possible (same reason why we replace our smoke detector batteries, preventative maintenance). This would force me to keep possibly a good amount of batteries, which occupy space and are weight. Also, disposing of batteries can be messy and hazardous if not done properly.

 

On the other hand I have the 1-4x variable power scope, and its only real downfall is that its freaking heavy. The fact that its almost an extra two pounds (26oz~), compared to the EOTech (which is no lightweight either) at 11oz I want to say. Other then that, having the ability to function as an almost true 1x, but also reach out is a huge plus... and it doesn't need batteries (it does use batteries for illumination purposes, but not needed to function).

 

Of course, this dilemma goes beyond zombies and other SHTF situations (though, imagine if an EMP went off-- then electronic optics really would be pretty useless in theory). To me, relying on batteries for an HD situation is worrisome, even though I know the batteries probably won't just stop working all of a sudden.

 

For the time being, I've switched back to the variable power scope, and I'm getting use to shooting with it again (since I changed my LOP of my buttstock)... but truth is that shooting with the EOTech is of course far easier. Opinions? Maybe some of you have thought about this same issue (not necessarily in application of zombies or S hitting the F).

Sell them both and get an ACOG.

Only up to page 12 so far(I'll read the rest later tonight) but so far I am IN(I'm in... i understand this was a problem early in the thread ). Plan on holing up for a couple weeks with the wifey and hope to get together with the 'rents(both avid marksmen) and eventually start the trek to my SH in the Pine Barrens. Currently it is capable of sleeping 8 couples on the ground floor and at least another 6 on the 2nd floor comfortably.

Ray Ray

caine

SpecOps2087

NJ609

BCeagle

Shane45

mikeyboyeee

celraysoda

bbk

nickd308

jermz1987

Blcklightning

unloco

maideneddie

djg0770

rauchman

axeman_g

chad

crazyboy

malsua

nitrospaz9

maksim

civictuner04

dave545

XDJohnTact

wsl

kpdpipes

GoNRA

Tbtrout

Matt6669

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j0n

I'd go with the EOTech. The 2lbs of the Millet may not seem like a lot on paper, but, if you end up on foot for an extended period of time you'll feel it. Magnification is nice, but unless you decide to play a DM role, probably unnecessary in an urban/suburban area. Getting hits out to 100yds is more than do-able with a 1x sight like the EO. Even 300 is possible (I can't do it, but I suck ). I think it's more a matter of knowing your hold offs based on your zero.

 

Yes, batteries are an issue, but it's easy enough to throw a few into your pack (assuming you have time to grab it). And, you'll always have your BUIS. May not be as nice as an illuminated dot/reticle and not as quick, but, people did it for years before the RDS/HWS became popular.

 

Another option is to add a 3x side-flip magnifier. I have no experience with them, but it's something I'm going to eventually look into for my own set up.

 

Lastly, if you have time to grab a pack, you could always throw the Millet into the pack. Assuming you have a good mount for it that'll hold zero and you have witness marks on the rail to know where to put it, it's an option.

 

Actually - disregard all of that, ditch the EOTech, and get an Aimpoint. 50,000 hours on one battery will keep you going for a while

Aimpoints! :oops: Ha, I don't have anything against them (no fanboyism here). I just have a problem with the dot itself. I don't have any color blindness and my vision isn't that bad, but I've always had an issue with picking up the dot quickly. A lot of people complain that the EOTech reticle set up is too much, but personally I love it.

 

But you're right, 26+ oz does seem quite digressive when talking about a SHTF ready rifle, ha. I have humped around with worse, but if I don't need the weight, why haul it around? I have already marked it on the rails, though I suppose I should consider investing in a QD attachment maybe. Well, thanks, Pete... oh wait, "Pete", for setting me straight

Pete? who's Pete? (I was kinda sorta kidding about that btw lol)

 

Along the AR lines, any opinions on the amount of mags to carry if you need to go out in a SHTF situation? The dam 15 round limit certainly complicates thing... even if things got so bad that there was no one to enforce the NJAWB anymore, it does me no good if I can't even find 30 round mags :doh:

Along the AR lines, any opinions on the amount of mags to carry if you need to go out in a SHTF situation? The dam 15 round limit certainly complicates thing... even if things got so bad that there was no one to enforce the NJAWB anymore, it does me no good if I can't even find 30 round mags :doh:

I'd carry as much as possible-- but for me it'd be eight magazines (NJ compliant 15 rds), which is compensating for the fact that we have neutered mag limits. I have a dedicated amount of ammo in my BOB ready to go as well. And yes, I have a rig to go with it, which is what really sets my standard.

That's the number I think I'd feel comfortable with as well, altho I'm still working out a way to carry that many. My current set up allows for 6 AR mags, which wouldn't be bad if they were 30 round mags... Feels a little lacking with 15 round mags. Still have to play around with some more setups and see if I can squeeze in a couple more.

I would go with the variable optic. Hitting the target isnt the issue. Target id is. Last time I tried(when I was shooting a lot more ) I could hit a 12X12 plate at 300yds with my ar 8 out of 10 with irons. What I could not do is tell you if it was a good plate or a bad plate . If 300 sounds like a lot to you, pace off a Wallmart from front to back line of sight next time your there and invision all the scenarios in SHTF that you could end up needing to make that kind of shot.

 

Between Aimpoint and Eotech I would definately go Aimpoint. Battery life alone would be an overwelming factor to go aimpoint. I have an Eotech 557 sitting on my desk right now to play with. Damn that ret is BIG. I like more precise aiming points even in CQB. Going to pop the Eo on the Kriss and see what thats like.

 

My Humble opinion.

Subgun like the Kriss/P90/HK7 Aimpoint Micro

Carbines for CQB Micro or M3/M4

Dual Role either TA33/TA11 Acog or 1x4 or possibly 1.5X6

Shane,

 

All good points. The versatility of a variable power scope is unquestionable. But, in bbk's specific case, I feel the weight of his scope and rings would be more of a nuisance than a benefit if he's mobile. An ACOG is a nice option, altho the lack of variable power is a bit of a deal breaker for me. I could mount a Docter on top of the ACOG or an offset H1/T1 to handle 1x requirements. But that becomes a lot of stuff to worry about IMHO. Trijicon's TR24 is an interesting variable power option, altho only a slight weight savings over a Millet I think. Leupold's new 1.1x8 is VERY interesting, VERY expensive, but it looks pretty heavy. Haven't found the exact specs on it yet.

 

But, I've figured out the perfect solution. Make the wife/gf/SO/whatever your spotter - give her a compact set of binoculars and have her call out targets and adjustments. It'll give her something to do instead of whining about how bad the zombies smell

You kidding me? I'll be the one complaining about the smell, and my nose hardly works (it does when it wants too).

 

Shane did bring up a lot of good points... many of them the exact things I had been thinking when I purchased my DMS-1. But ultimately the weight is what kills it for me. I do have a second upper that I've attached my DMS-1 too for the time being, and if I need to G.O.O.D, then I'll just take it off and throw it in my bag.

 

The only thing that does make me second guess this decision is the point of identification that Shane brought up (and equally countered with having a spotter or whatnot). I'm not necessarily concerned with engaging in targets beyond 100m in any situation, even if it SHTF and there were zombies lumbering around. However, having the ability to positively identify a threat before making any kind of decision is paramount-- especially in an HD situation and even SHTF-situation. The last thing I would want to do is identify anything with a round. I guess to make up for that, even if I was lacking a spotter-type, I do keep a set of magnification with my rigs... plus, having AA batteries would benefit more then the optics, and could be used for a wide array of electronics and be used for trading.

 

I am considering getting an Aimpoint, probably a T-1 like I've discussed with "Pete" ( ) before. I feel like I would have an easier time picking up the dot in a smaller diameter of glass. So, maybe down the road, though hopefully before the zombies come knocking :?

 

As for the vids with Simon Pegg and Nick Frost, I remember watching those when they originally aired. From what I've read, they're as zombie-obsessed as other people out there... except they actually have a disposable income! Lucky.

I am considering getting an Aimpoint, probably a T-1 like I've discussed with "Pete" ( ) before. I feel like I would have an easier time picking up the dot in a smaller diameter of glass. So, maybe down the road, though hopefully before the zombies come knocking :?

If you're ever up north on a weekend (after the end of April) I'd be more than happy to head over to CR with you so you can check out the H-1 I run on my ARs.