I too am curious what purpose the "notes" would be used for. Would a mod/admin care to elaborate, please?

As I was reading through this thread, I couldn't help but think that many of my childhood heroes were cops. Probably sounds corny, but as a little kid watching shows like Inspector Gadget and Dick Tracy, and watching stuff like Walker Texas Ranger as a teenager, cops were always portrayed as the most upstanding of citizens that could be found among us. I still tend to view LEOs like this, and I think for the most part it's an accurate view. There's just something noble about performing the awesome duty of upholding the rule of law, and I think most cops get that. I highly respect and thank those who risk their lives daily to serve and protect myself, my family, and my friends.

OKAY. Don't you get your panties in a wad. I made the statement,

There are a select few who post here and on other forums that are the bashers. Notes have been taken.

which I stand by. There are a few members here and on AR15 that are the bashers.

 

Notes? I responded to one member via IM with an explanation. It was meant to be funny and to put some on alert. To my knowledge, Mods and Administration are not taking notes. But why would you care? I don't.

 

We all will be making "mental" notes of this discussion. What do you think that means? By addressing "you" in this post, I mean no one specifically. Sheesh, I guess I should explain that before it gets blown up.

 

BTW, police are exempt from the cell phone law that was mentioned in this thread. So next time you see an officer on the phone, maybe think that he is addressing sensitive information that scanner land need not know to protect your sorry asses.

 

Sorry if this offends some of you. It was not meant to. It is hard to put down thoughts in a post. Carry on.

I too am curious what purpose the "notes" would be used for. Would a mod/admin care to elaborate, please?

The guy was joking, lighten up.

This is one reason to have a slanted view.

 

"BTW, police are exempt from the cell phone law"

 

So I guess the "above the law" attitude seen in many police officers isn't an attitude after all. My error, they really are above the law.

 

I am not on this earth to judge anything but in the course of every day life opinions are formed by other people's actions.

 

I have been an observer for 67 years so far. I must admit I'm not a great observer as I miss most of what goes on right in front of me. My personal experience with police is that many are just OK ordinary people, a few are extraordinarily good people and a lot are assholes. Just my personal opinion from a lifetime of observation. The same can be said for all people. That said, I think police officers are and should be held to a higher standard because of their position in the community.

 

As far as driving and obeying traffic laws, I don't think most civilians know or care about the laws. Cops hang in the left lane, stop waay past the stop line at intersections, speed because then can and in general don't bother with formalities when it comes to driving. Cops should lead by example. It is not just a job.

 

I will respect an officer's position or uniform, but he will need to earn my respect.

 

If anyone disagrees or I have offended anyone........................................too bad.

 

I am just stating my opinion.

 

 

P.S.

 

Also, many police officers attempt to use their position to intimidate shop keepers and business owners to give discounts. If you always see cops at a particular deli or sandwich shop, I will bet good money they're getting free food and coffee. I have an auto repair and service business and at least 75% of the Ewing and Trenton cops that have come to me asked for a "police discount". What conclusions should I draw? They are cheap? They think they are special? Why should they get special treatment?

Actually, ANYONE making an emergency call is exempt from the cell phone law.

 

Look - if you want someone to bash and excoriate, let's start with the Congress and Senate. Once you get that cleaned up, then try the state house. After that, go to County Government. Funny, I think once that is done, the other situations you mention might miraculously clean themselves up...

See... that kinda crap irritates me. Cops being exempt from handheld cell phone law... you think they are any less distracted than then next guy? Same goes with speeding... are they any better of a driver at high speed than the next guy? You know when you get stopped for it they are going to give you the song and dance about how unsafe you are, blah blah blah.

 

How are we supposed to respect and look up to someone while they are doing something that is illegal for us in plain sight? That would be like saying murder is legal for cops, watching then kill people, not be put in jail, then having them arrest someone for murder. Oh wait... that happens too...

I can only say that we all run into cops that are bad and I have had my fair share of cops that did the right thing.

 

I will not comment really on them until I've walked a mile in their shoes.

 

Now, I will let you know more after I got to traffic court on that ticket I got on a paticular Sunday afternoon.

Actually, ANYONE making an emergency call is exempt from the cell phone law.

 

I have no problem with police officers using a cell phone while driving on-duty for official police business, whatever the reason. I think most would agree as Paul said there are times they need to relay information that shouldn't go out over the open airwaves.

 

What I, and I think most have a problem with is the "above the law" mentality. I have seen a police officer on the phone and it was pretty obvious she was on a personal call the way she was laughing and acting. I was driving alongside her on Rt 9 in Manalapan, a busy area with cars entering and exiting the roadway into and out of shopping center parking lots. She is no better than me or anyone else here.

 

And please, don't give me "she receives special training" to talk on the phone and drive at the same time.

 

I was a volunteer fireman many years ago and worked with the township police on a regular basis. As has been stated here, some cops are great people and some are assholes. Even the great ones can act like assholes depending on the attitude they are getting from someone.

The cell phone law is stupid. If you're driving carelessly while using it, a ticket should be issued for "careless driving". Even using a hands-free cell phone is a distraction. It is not the one handedness, it is the mental distraction it causes, not unlike your wife's back seat driving or kids fighting. BTW, not many police enforce this law.

yeah im waiting for the police to give up on the seatbelt law, but the (smart) stupid citizens are complying with it.

 

you can add the bicycle helmet up there with the seatbelt and cell phone laws.

 

but I guess im just a rebel... or... an idiot?

The cell phone law is stupid. If you're driving carelessly while using it, a ticket should be issued for "careless driving". Even using a hands-free cell phone is a distraction. It is not the one handedness, it is the mental distraction it causes, not unlike your wife's back seat driving or kids fighting. BTW, not many police enforce this law.

 

 

+1 Agree 100%.

yeah im waiting for the police to give up on the seatbelt law, but the (smart) stupid citizens are complying with it.

 

you can add the bicycle helmet up there with the seatbelt and cell phone laws.

 

but I guess im just a rebel... or... an idiot?

 

 

I always wear my seatbelt and I always wear a helmet, and would even without the law. I just hate being told how to conduct my own personal activities though! I believe the law is stupid, even though I'de follow it with or without it lol. Its called personal choice. If you dont want to wear a helmet, then you crash and die, oh well!

 

:snooty:

I remember when I was a kid, I was riding my bike when that helmet law first passed. I was riding my bike without a helmet of course and a cop was driving behind us without notice, he turned on his sirens and freaked me out and I wrecked. Then he gave me a lecture about wearing a helmet and how it is now the law.

I always wear my seatbelt and I always wear a helmet, and would even without the law. I just hate being told how to conduct my own personal activities though! I believe the law is stupid, even though I'de follow it with or without it lol. Its called personal choice. If you dont want to wear a helmet, then you crash and die, oh well!

 

That is how you would think things would work, except the insurance/health insurance companies have convinced politicians that its in their best interest if people wear seat belts.

The cell phone law is stupid. If you're driving carelessly while using it, a ticket should be issued for "careless driving". Even using a hands-free cell phone is a distraction. It is not the one handedness, it is the mental distraction it causes, not unlike your wife's back seat driving or kids fighting. BTW, not many police enforce this law.

 

 

I disagree. Several weeks ago I was following a Jeep and this thing nearly went off the road several times. Far worse than myself when I drive drunk. Anyway, I pull up to a light next to it and sure enough, a young female on a cell phone. She was speaking Italian with her left hand, cell phone in the right. She must have been steering with her feet. Probably doing something important like making a hair appointment or telling her girlfriend about her missed period. It's amazing what people are willing to die over. I still see way to many people on Route 80 weaving and talking on the phone. If they were just a hazard to themselves thats one thing, but these idiots are a hazard to others.

I have a 50 watt loudspeaker in my front bumper hooked up to my CB, so when I see people driving like idiots on the cell phone (only when they drive stupid, in addition to cell phone) I yell at them

you have to take into consideration people who need to use cell phones for business on the road. If you are constantly on and off the phone 50 times a day while driving to different jobs, this law is impossible to abide by. People who owner their own plumbing business, heating and cooling businesses, landscaping businesses, they tend to receive a lot of phone calls, are they expected to pull over every 5 - 10 minutes in between jobs when they have a schedule they are on.

you have to take into consideration people who need to use cell phones for business on the road. If you are constantly on and off the phone 50 times a day while driving to different jobs, this law is impossible to abide by. People who owner their own plumbing business, heating and cooling businesses, landscaping businesses, they tend to receive a lot of phone calls, are they expected to pull over every 5 - 10 minutes in between jobs when they have a schedule they are on.

 

 

If they drive like idiots while doing so and nearly ram me, they dont deserve slack! But like said before, throw em careless driving then. Get rid of the cell phone ticket crap.

you have to take into consideration people who need to use cell phones for business on the road. If you are constantly on and off the phone 50 times a day while driving to different jobs, this law is impossible to abide by. People who owner their own plumbing business, heating and cooling businesses, landscaping businesses, they tend to receive a lot of phone calls, are they expected to pull over every 5 - 10 minutes in between jobs when they have a schedule they are on.

 

 

If they drive like idiots while doing so and nearly ram me, they dont deserve slack! But like said before, throw em careless driving then. Get rid of the cell phone ticket crap.

 

I agree with that.

This thread really isn't about what me, you, or that idiot did. If we did wrong then I'm perfectly fine with the cops writing tickets.

you have to take into consideration people who need to use cell phones for business on the road. If you are constantly on and off the phone 50 times a day while driving to different jobs, this law is impossible to abide by. People who owner their own plumbing business, heating and cooling businesses, landscaping businesses, they tend to receive a lot of phone calls, are they expected to pull over every 5 - 10 minutes in between jobs when they have a schedule they are on.

 

duh - Blue fucking Tooth!

you have to take into consideration people who need to use cell phones for business on the road. If you are constantly on and off the phone 50 times a day while driving to different jobs, this law is impossible to abide by. People who owner their own plumbing business, heating and cooling businesses, landscaping businesses, they tend to receive a lot of phone calls, are they expected to pull over every 5 - 10 minutes in between jobs when they have a schedule they are on.

 

duh - Blue friggin Tooth!

 

You beat me too it.

 

EVERYTHING that a cop talks to base/disbatch should go out over the airwaves and be recorded. They can an do use the cell-phones to circumnavigate that procedure and do some pretty shady shit. Everything a cop needs to communicate about should be public record. On a lunch break and wanna call your wife? Thats a different story.

Using that logic everything the military does should be public record. Police have access to sensitive info and not all of it should be available to the public.

Using that logic everything the military does should be public record. Police have access to sensitive info and not all of it should be available to the public.

 

 

You guys are doing it again. Comparing Military and LEO. Not good.

Two different animals.

military is trained to kill, police is trained to clean up and arrest

Using that logic everything the military does should be public record. Police have access to sensitive info and not all of it should be available to the public.

 

 

You guys are doing it again. Comparing Military and LEO. Not good.

Two different animals.

 

It's not two different things. Almost every cop hired in the last ten years is a vet or is still in the guard or reserves.

How do you know that? Source? I know quite a few cops that started right out of high school.

 

Even if it was true, its two different jobs. That's like saying if a fighter pilot goes on to fly commercial, he will only fly as if he were in a fighter jet. That's another loaded statement because a family friend flew in the military and is now a successful commercial pilot.

yeah im waiting for the police to give up on the seatbelt law, but the (smart) stupid citizens are complying with it.

 

you can add the bicycle helmet up there with the seatbelt and cell phone laws.

 

but I guess im just a rebel... or... an idiot?

 

 

I always wear my seatbelt and I always wear a helmet, and would even without the law. I just hate being told how to conduct my own personal activities though! I believe the law is stupid, even though I'de follow it with or without it lol. Its called personal choice. If you dont want to wear a helmet, then you crash and die, oh well!

 

:snooty:

 

Not true. In fact, I believe a seat belt makes a safe driver. Do an experiment for yourself, drive around without a seat belt on and watch how much more you move around in your seat compared to when you wear a seat belt. You are going to be QUITE surprised. Now if your in a situation with a violent movement, it may make the difference between you saving that situation or wrecking.

It's not two different things. Almost every cop hired in the last ten years is a vet or is still in the guard or reserves.

 

 

Two different sets of rules. Two different purposes and two different allegences.