Dave the plr 16 is questionable. I think the plr 22 is good to go.

new jersey sucks balls! this thing is bad a**!

 

new jersey sucks balls! this thing is bad a**!

 

Where was this guy shooting? in a landfill?

 

Holy slobs!

new jersey sucks balls! this thing is bad a**!

 

Beta mag looks like a ton of fun!

On my jersey-legal Bushy pistols, I either 2-hand the Hogue pistol grip, or I hold the front of the 15 round mag.

Either case, I also use a single-point strap on my neck and shoulder for very helpful tension.

I "play" at 50yd (8" steel disc) and practice at 100.

(I cheat a bit and use a 200yd hi-power target)

Wolf is well tolerated.

Thunder and Lightning like to go to SJSC!

Dave the plr 16 is questionable. I think the plr 22 is good to go.

Ummm....these are both semi-automatic pistols. The ONLY reason why the PLR16 wouldn't be good to go would be if it weighed more due to the caliber. Other than that, what's the difference?

vjf, yes the weight on the plr 22 is under 50 oz. as opposed to the plr 16 which is over 50 oz. That is my reasoning in thinking the plr 22 would be nj legal. Its only feature would be the magazine. Any input on this thought would be appreciated.

ii. A semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at

least two of the following:

(1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor,

forward handgrip, or silencer;

(3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and

that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being

burned;

(4) Manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and/or

(5) A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm

 

Right there. And this is assuming that the model DOESN'T have the shroud, it's still illegal if it is in fact over 50 ounces unloaded. The question is....does unloaded mean with an empty magazine, or no magazine at all?

Right there. And this is assuming that the model DOESN'T have the shroud, it's still illegal if it is in fact over 50 ounces unloaded. The question is....does unloaded mean with an empty magazine, or no magazine at all?

NO MAG

imho

vjf as established in the chat last night it is no mag. The weight is under 50 oz. and there is clearly no shroud on it if you look at it. The plr 22 I'm taking about.

vjf as established in the chat last night it is no mag.

I know, look at the timestamp on my post. It was made before we discussed it in chat

sorry had no idea what time it was last night. so would you agree the plr 22 is nj legal? Looks bad a** for a 22 pistol & gotta be fun to shoot.

sorry had no idea what time it was last night. so would you agree the plr 22 is nj legal? Looks bad a** for a 22 pistol & gotta be fun to shoot.

If it does in fact weigh under 50 ounces, and it doesn't have the barrel shroud (the shoulder thing that goes up).....then yes it's legal (as long as the magazine will not accept more than 15 rounds, of course).

Not sure what shoulder thing your talking about. A barrel shroud would be like handguards. Weight is 2.8lbs. Link

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/plr-22/

Not sure what shoulder thing your talking about. A barrel shroud would be like handguards. Weight is 2.8lbs. Link

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/plr-22/

 

ah, thanks jon, never saw that before. Was getting a little confused as to how you didnt know what a shroud was.

ah, thanks jon, never saw that before. Was getting a little confused as to how you didnt know what a shroud was.

Yea it was completely a joke LOL.

So, I was told by my local FFL that if i can find someone to weld on the muzzle break that it would be NJ legal. Guess thats becuase it would only have 2 "evil features" instead of 3.

 

anyone know if there's any truth to that? Or what NJ's standpoint is on modifiing once illegal guns to make them legal?

IMO

 

NJ legal... providing it IS less than 50 ounces.. and does NOT have a threaded barrel...

 

 

A semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at

least two of the following:

(1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor,

forward handgrip, or silencer;

(3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and

that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being

burned;

(4) Manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and/or

(5) A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm

 

 

NJ Illegal

 

 

A semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at

least two of the following:

(1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor,

forward handgrip, or silencer;

(3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and

that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being

burned;

(4) Manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and/or

(5) A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm

The term "identical" means exactly the same.

A firearm is not substantially identical to a listed assault firearm unless it is identical except for differences which do not alter the essential nature of the firearm.

 

I would really like to know the name of the Jack@@@ that wrote the second sentence. I'm pretty sure that if something is exactly the same it can't be different.

I wonder if that 51.4 ounces was with the empty mag or no mag at all?... I'll have to call and find out. im sure the empty mag weighs more then 1.4oz.

 

 

Someone earlier said they saw one for sale in their local shop...what shop was that?

can't we get something solid that is legal or not?

can't we get something solid that is legal or not?

 

 

IMO

 

NJ legal... providing it IS less than 50 ounces.. and does NOT have a threaded barrel...

 

 

A semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at

least two of the following:

(1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor,

forward handgrip, or silencer;

(3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and

that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being

burned;

(4) Manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and/or

(5) A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm

 

 

NJ Illegal

 

 

A semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at

least two of the following:

(1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor,

forward handgrip, or silencer;

(3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and

that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being

burned;

(4) Manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and/or

(5) A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm

basically.. any "handgun" that I can think of.. that is like that.. you are going to get jammed up.. unless it has a fully exposed barrel like the one example I listed.. (and avoids the other evil features).. they are obviously focusing on guns like AR pistols.. dracos.. mac type clones with the barrel shrouds etc.. there are exceptions.. the keltec WITHOUT a shroud.. there is a bushmaster (carbon series? I think) that is light enough as well.. the rules are the same for all semi auto pistols with detachable magazines.. nothing really changes from one to the next.. just follow the check list...

 

1) is it banned by name?

 

2) is it substantially identical as defined by NJ law..

 

A semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at

least two of the following:

(1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

(2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor,

forward handgrip, or silencer;

(3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and

that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being

burned;

(4) Manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and/or

(5) A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm

ok I know this is old and i hate to kick a dead horse but is that keltec plr 16 quoted weight with the shroud on or without the shroud? I'm thinking without the shroud and pinned muzzle brake she should be light enough right? if she is over the weight limit without the guard could modify it to bring it down in weight? it sucks that it so close to being nj legal weight limit...

It doesn't matter what is done to the pistol after it's manufactured because the 50 oz. rule is based on the pistol's manufactured weight.

Legality issues aside, why would you even want a Keltec?

Legality issues aside, why would you even want a Keltec?

They are not the junk they once were. Lots of great reviews on the ksg, pmr-30 and the su-16

From what I just read at policemag.com the barrel is threaded soooo its a no go. Can't post the link cause I'm on my phone right now ill try and remember to do so later.

They are not the junk they once were. Lots of great reviews on the ksg, pmr-30 and the su-16

 

Given their long history of making complete crap, it would take a long time before I ever trusted a Keltec. I have read about some reliability issues with the KSG.

 

Your money, but personally, I would never buy anything from a company that has consistently produced inferior quality products.

From what I just read at policemag.com the barrel is threaded soooo its a no go. Can't post the link cause I'm on my phone right now ill try and remember to do so later.

 

It's not "just" the threaded barrel, it's got two features, mag attaches outside of handgrip AND barrel is threaded