January 25, 201214 yr Author I think they were yelling that he was still up. I think the taser cop drew and fired by reflex as well...... can't fault him for that.
January 25, 201214 yr I think they were yelling that he was still up. I think the taser cop drew and fired by reflex as well...... can't fault him for that. The guy was still up, u can see him hunched over behind the car when the last 5 shots began. The simple fact is, no one knows if the guy had any other weapons on him... 10 shots in 4 seconds.... it's hard to see, but the first 5 were warranted, and the second round of 5 were precautionary and he was still on his feet when the last 5 were initiated.
January 26, 201214 yr can getting hit in the skull with a pipe bender kill you? pretty sure it could.. display of lethal force.. met with lethal force... one more dead crack head off the street.. good job PD..
January 26, 201214 yr I agree Dave, and it sucks that the cops are probably going threw hell for this. Sure, it would've been great if the tazer worked. It would've been great if he complied and laid on the ground. It would've been great if he took a bean-bag load to the chest and dropped instantly in pain. It would've been great if the German Sheppard tore the guys nuts off. BUT, things happen and Chit hit the fan and they reacted. Their alive, bad guy is dead and the "stoners" filming this thing are retarded.
January 26, 201214 yr I agree Dave, and it sucks that the cops are probably going threw hell for this. Sure, it would've been great if the tazer worked. It would've been great if he complied and laid on the ground. It would've been great if he took a bean-bag load to the chest and dropped instantly in pain. It would've been great if the German Sheppard tore the guys nuts off. BUT, things happen and Chit hit the fan and they reacted. Their alive, bad guy is dead and the "stoners" filming this thing are retarded. This should end the thread. Couldn't agree more.
January 26, 201214 yr They didn't have a "LiterOCola" Zombies hate when you forget to put napkins in their drive thru bag. Still think they should have let the dog have a nibble.
January 26, 201214 yr Zombies hate when you forget to put napkins in their drive thru bag. Still think they should have let the dog have a nibble. Off-topic, I saw your Sigline, are you a Plankowner??? My brother was on Finback (SSN670) from 73-78, and was "Involved" in the little incident at Canaveral.
January 26, 201214 yr Off-topic, I saw your Sigline, are you a Plankowner??? My brother was on Finback (SSN670) from 73-78, and was "Involved" in the little incident at Canaveral. Not. Regretably. Almost enlisted in '80's, took and passed all the tests, but felt the recruiter was BS'n me so I balked, (he was pissed). Anyhow fast forward to 1999 or 2000?, when the Navy had an open house at the pier in Leonardo, my father and I were able to get a tour of the Artic refueler and the USS Jacksonville. There were 30K who showed up that day and we had to "negotiate" to get on board. Epic. I knew the minute I stepped inside the sub I blew it in '85, what a fanatastic boat and crew (both vessels). Coincidently, Feb 21 is my B-day, the same day SSN-699's keel was laid. Was your brother the "activity" director? I'd love to hear the story, or see the pictures !
January 26, 201214 yr Thank-you! That's what I'm trying to discuss. To me it seems like an eternity with many seconds ticking by that the Cops are waiting outside for this Perp. Plenty of time to rack-in a bean bag..... So strange sometimes to see the minute differences in how others perceive the same thing. I see that video and exactly what I do not see is time to do anything. They had procedures they were obviously trained to do but the guy left the building and had no concept that there were police there. He was just walking away. I look at the video and I just see the deceased as two steps ahead of his own good and one step ahead of the procedures those cops were trying to run through. One last thought here. People witnessing that kind of stuff for the first time in their lives will always be dumasses. Let me rephrase that, young males in a group will act that way. They sure got quiet after about 10 seconds didn't they? That is so much like any time the young kids in my platoon came under fire. Happy as hell and videotaping. And then they have PTSD. Ask me about the time we had a mile long fuel convoy get shelled while we were stopped to "stretch." little bastards started laughing and taping the HE rounds going off. We had to grab a few and tell them to start driving. No one takes all that death stuff seriously until it is right in their face. Ever see this video? Their reactions were a little better than the average I saw in my ordinance battalion, but compared to the cops they were retards. I actually did use this video as a training aid once I got back. Everyone's a Cool Hand Luke until...
January 26, 201214 yr bulpup, Your thoughts about the kids in the car are on the money! I find it very strange to say the least that the Police even let them outta the parking lot after what seemed to me to be an eternity, as Cops from all over swarmed the scene. Interviewing potential witnesses would normally take place, no? In the video I MIGHT be watching (prior to the shoot) more Police than just the two Cops involved in the shooting. Lots of people in the parking lot and the two uniformed officers in the video weren't really that busy waving or yelling for others in lot to go away. That leads me to believe that there may have been 1-2 plain-clothes (Detectives?) and maybe another uniform that got there first and started securing the scene prior to the K-9 Cops arrival. More supposition on my part, I know, but the surveillance tapes & Police radio that are time-stamped may prove my theory. Also, same faces are walking around through the scene post-shooting prior to the arrival of the squad car that had it's siren on. Otherwise how would the two Cops (taser & K-9) have known to wait for the Perp to exit? And why would they stand around in the parking lot unless somebody used a walkie-talkie to notify them/instruct them to do so? The more I watch this video the more I think that PD was on the scene and waiting for the taser & dog to be deployed. Which then gets me back to my premise of "what if" one of the other cops on the scene had a 12 ga. with a been bag? Could have stood next to taser cop and shot the guy with the been bag as he was pulling the wire out of his face. Or waved-off taser cop from having to become vulnerable and just used the shotgun...... It's still a righteous shoot, but just maybe it didn't have to end this way. Yes the Perp is dead as a doornail and he deserved it! But it's still an "Epic Fail" on the taser and almost cost the Cops' melon! Every time I watch this video, I learn more. I just wish I had ALL of the pieces of the puzzle!
January 26, 201214 yr News report with a little more info http://www.ktla.com/videogallery/67586690/News/VIDEO:-Deadly-Police-Shooting-Caught-on-Camera---Olga-Ospina-reports
January 26, 201214 yr Stray bullet hit a neon sign? Probably a through shot and ricochet from the angle the officers shot and what signs we can see in both of the videos, but just a guess.
January 26, 201214 yr A bullet hit a sign which sent glass flying and hit a woman. They didn't say much more about her though. I can't believe the guy wasn't DOA though, they said he was taken to a hospital and later died.
January 26, 201214 yr I've watched this video too many times, but did anyone notice that after he pulled the tazer prongs off his face the officer that shot those tazers was fumbling with something and the body language of the kid seemed to be mad that he was shot with a tazer. I think his partner noticed all this and the tazer cop was fumbling with something and the kid was pissed that he got hit in the face and he reacted.
January 27, 201214 yr I've watched this video too many times, but did anyone notice that after he pulled the tazer prongs off his face the officer that shot those tazers was fumbling with something and the body language of the kid seemed to be mad that he was shot with a tazer. I think his partner noticed all this and the tazer cop was fumbling with something and the kid was pissed that he got hit in the face and he reacted. I noticed that. He seems to be wrapping the wires up. Did the police get too close to the perp? Once they got inside his swinging radius and the taser didn't work they were left having to shoot him or tackle him. The dog seemed to be in the way and took K9 cop's ability to tackle away.
January 27, 201214 yr Thank-you! That's what I'm trying to discuss. To me it seems like an eternity with many seconds ticking by that the Cops are waiting outside for this Perp. Plenty of time to rack-in a bean bag..... Did they have a shotgun and bean bags?
January 27, 201214 yr clearly im in the wrong place. Clearly you are, judging by the comments you posted that we're deleted.
January 27, 201214 yr There were two deleted posts where he basically said f*ck all "pigs" and we were all crazy for justifying this situation...or something along those lines...clearly he doesn't get what this forum is about. I could go into depth about how he insulted many of our members but I'll leave it at that. I've found that most of the guys on this forum who are also LEOs to be fair clear minded people. Part of me thinks he was a troll but either way I don't find that kind of attitude to be fitting to what's being accomplished on this forum. I don't always agree with LEOs (usually I disagree haha), but his comments (that have now been deleted) were uncalled for.
January 27, 201214 yr the fact that we discussed this for this many pages is pretty ridiculous... I spend a lot of time in an area where I can legally carry a gun.. if I was with my fiance and someone went to bash her head in with a giant chunk of metal.. I can only hope that I can get my gun out fast enough to stop that individual... cops are no different.. they don't owe that guy ANYTHING.. he had every opportunity in the world to stop.. he chose not to.. he chose to raise a weapon towards another human being (forget about him even being a cop).. he raised a weapon that was capable of killing or severly injuring the other officer.. that in most of America is more than enough justification to be killed.. and thank god he was.. he saved everyone a ton of trouble and money.. what kind of scumbag is walking around in the middle of the day smashing **** with a pipe bender.. I will tell you what kind.. A scumbag that society is a lot better off without.. good for that cop.. nice shot.. those loser cops in NYC that let that guy stab the hell out of the other guy could stand to learn something.. I would rather have 2 living cops and one dead crack head.. than the alternative..
January 27, 201214 yr clearly im in the wrong place. As much as I am for 1st amendment rights, there was a more eloquent way you could have expressed your rage. I don't particulary agree with the deletion of your post, but this forum is not mine and I have no control over that. My opinion on what happened to the dude who got himself killed as I lay prone, under my heated blanket, propped up with 4 pillows and a refreshment close at hand watching the video is this: My kid could have round house kicked that pos and flattened him, they didn't have to shoot the dude. But I wasn't there in the heat of the moment. My other thought is: Those cops showed good restraint because I know some dudes that would have popped him sooner. There are 3 apparent things that are sad about the whole shooting: 1) Someone died, 2) Someone killed another person 3) The dicks in the car thought it was funny. There are a lot of police officers that are on this site, most are good guys (girls) trying to do their best in a tough job, I'm certain there are a few that are also uh...(restraint, restraint, restraint), less than professional. Next time show respect for the good ones by qualifiying your statements.
January 27, 201214 yr As much as I am for 1st amendment rights, there was a more eloquent way you could have expressed your rage. I don't particulary agree with the deletion of your post, but this forum is not mine and I have no control over that. My opinion on what happened to the dude who got himself killed as I lay prone, under my heated blanket, propped up with 4 pillows and a refreshment close at hand watching the video is this: My kid could have round house kicked that pos and flattened him, they didn't have to shoot the dude. But I wasn't there in the heat of the moment. My other thought is: Those cops showed good restraint because I know some dudes that would have popped him sooner. There are 3 apparent things that are sad about the whole shooting: 1) Someone died, 2) Someone killed another person 3) The dicks in the car thought it was funny. There are a lot of police officers that are on this site, most are good guys (girls) trying to do their best in a tough job, I'm certain there are a few that are also uh...(restraint, restraint, restraint), less than professional. Next time show respect for the good ones by qualifiying your statements. No one deleted his posts, he edited his own posts. We would of unapproved them, and they would be visible to mods, the posts are not. I am very interested in seeing what he wrote, if anyone has. If he really wrote "f all pigs", he can get the hell off the site. If he cannot respect people enough to make his point without cursing and not call them derogatory names, this is not the forum for him. the freedom of speech, does not give anyone the right to insult people like that.
January 27, 201214 yr Yes, I did indeed write F pigs. I deleted it once I realized that Im in the minority here, seeing as everyone was pretty stoked to watch this guy get lit up by 8-10 shots, half of which were on his way down. Where did the rest of those shots go? Bet they all didnt land where they were supposed to. What about the public at large, yknow, who these guys get paid well to protect and serve? Were they best served by these cops lighting up the street to take down some guy at point blank distance when they had other tools at their disposal? Yes, I agree that it looks like they 'tried' pepper spray or whatever. Maybe if they didnt suck at their jobs they couldve taken this guy down without 10 rounds at point blank range. It seemed excessive, especially when cop #2 opened up. Yes, I agree that I wasn't there blah blah. This video has 4 pages of hindsight analysis but mine is "wrong"? Lunatic cops are just as scary as punks with crowbars. Worse. Ohio CCW video? Whatever, its just my opinion. Im the only one here who ever made a blanket statement about a group of people based on the bad actions of a few? Get real.
January 27, 201214 yr Yes, I did indeed write F pigs. I deleted it once I realized that Im in the minority here, seeing as everyone was pretty stoked to watch this guy get lit up by 8-10 shots, half of which were on his way down. Where did the rest of those shots go? Bet they all didnt land where they were supposed to. What about the public at large, yknow, who these guys get paid well to protect and serve? Were they best served by these cops lighting up the street to take down some guy at point blank distance when they had other tools at their disposal? Yes, I agree that it looks like they 'tried' pepper spray or whatever. Maybe if they didnt suck at their jobs they couldve taken this guy down without 10 rounds at point blank range. It seemed excessive, especially when cop #2 opened up. Yes, I agree that I wasn't there blah blah. This video has 4 pages of hindsight analysis but mine is "wrong"? Lunatic cops are just as scary as punks with crowbars. Worse. Ohio CCW video? Whatever, its just my opinion. Im the only one here who ever made a blanket statement about a group of people based on the bad actions of a few? Get real. I would have loved to have seen what YOU would've done if you and a loved one where there.
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