Ray, Rizz, Sig - You misunderstood my statement. I was not denying conflict between Blacks and Latinos or Whites and Latinos or any combination of groups. What I'm saying is the extra add-on "hate crime" charge is BS. Always was in any case not just this one. The crime should be punished not the motivation.

 

And Ray, Give me a break "Mr Street Smart" I have just one thing to say to you "Snyder High School".

Here . I'll quote myself and clarify by modifying the text a little, I thing you guys are misreading me. This is a heated and emotional situation , I value my 2nd amendment rights and I know everyone else here does as well. Easy to get excited.

 

Zimmerman thought he was following a bad guy...kid in turn thought he was being followed by a bad guy.

Zimmerman states on 911 things that indicate he was following him. This is not supposition. Zimmerman's own words. There is a witness that was on a cell with the kid, proven by cell records , she states he felt he was being followed . That part is her word..what was said.

 

Like I said in my original post on this , Zimmerman is at the very least a person who made a mistake

If you , or any police officer , or whatever shoots and kills someone who is not in the commission of a crime , that is an error. Zimmerman stated on tape that the guy looked suspicious and was acting weird . He did not say throughout the whole taped convo anything that indicates that he was breaking into cars or homes ..i.e in the commision of a crime

 

and at the very worst he committed murder.

If it turns out he was following the kid , made the kid scared , so the kid attacked him , it could been seen as murder. The boy may have though he was in a life and death situation as well. Young teen boys are acutely aware that people get jumped and killed. I'm using the word "if"..because again , that is up to the unfolding investigation and jury if he is charged to decide.

 

It ended badly , a person who was not in the commission of a crime was shot dead by another civilian. I call that a bad shoot whether or not the shooter was in fear for his life. He should not have followed on foot a person he was suspicious of. That is what the police do. He did not see a neighbor or friend being assaulted or anything like that , no reason for him as a citizen to engage. As a citizen IMO you have a responsibility not to start something with someone unless they are in danger of hurting you or another person and , IMO , carrying a weapon puts you at a higher responsibility to not start with with someone like that. I mean , look what happened. One person is dead and another has a life that ruined in any event.

That above paragraph is my opinion. Hence the IMO. And I stand by it. If you are going to arm yourself and go on neighborhood patrol , you are going to be subject to this type of risk. If a cop shot this kid he is in trouble.

 

 

I don't think anyone is assuming things stated here as fact. We are all just kind of mulling over the possibilities and debating different angles. Nothing wrong with that..we are not the jury . We are concerned gun owners who care about stuff like this not happening. You can't have a good debate without exploring possibilities. Nobody is writing this stuff to the press , you know? I for one want to hear various opinions and news on it as well.

the extra add-on "hate crime" charge is BS.

As far as I can tell, the "hate crime" portion is largely coming from Zimm possibly saying "f*cking c**n" on the police recording. CNN even went so far as to isolate that one portion of the call and play it back and forth for a good 20 seconds. When people hear that, they largely ignore any other details of the incident and it becomes the gun toting, racist white guy (even tho he's not white by most accounts) against the unarmed black kid. Any other details become irrelevant to those that have already made up their minds about what happened.

And Ray, Give me a break "Mr Street Smart" I have just one thing to say to you "Snyder High School".

 

I thought you dropped out to fight the Japs?

put on channel 4 now, they gonna talk about the witnesses...

There r two other witnesses in this case who do NOT support Zimmermans argument. Their account of events do not include seeing any attack. Just some yelling and what sounded like crying by a young voice followed by a gun shot which silenced the crying. Then they witnessed Zimmerman on top of a unarmed Martin who was at that point shot and face down on the ground. This case is very far from over and by no means favors Zimmerman. I think some of you guys are just worried about your right to own guns. I'm All for that but when you pull that trigger you better be right... If you are not then your a** belongs in jail. If this was a black man who shot some unarmed white kid he would be under the jail by now. Thank God for people like Al Sharpton because otherwise this would have been swept under the rug and kept there. How ever this plays out the TRUTH needs to be brought to light. Right now there are just two many questions and some very questionable behavior on the part of Zimmerman to just let this slide as is.

There r two other witnesses in this case who do NOT support Zimmermans argument. Their account of events do not include seeing any attack. Just some yelling and what sounded like crying by a young voice followed by a gun shot which silenced the crying. Then they witnessed Zimmerman on top of a unarmed Martin who was at that point shot and face down on the ground. This case is very far from over and by no means favors Zimmerman. I think some of you guys are just worried about your right to own guns. I'm All for that but when you pull that trigger you better be right... If you are not then your a** belongs in jail. If this was a black man who shot some unarmed white kid he would be under the jail by now. Thank God for people like Al Sharpton because otherwise this would have been swept under the rug and kept there. How ever this plays out the TRUTH needs to be brought to light. Right now there are just two many questions and some very questionable behavior on the part of Zimmerman to just let this slide as is.

 

I think you meant: "Thank God for people like Al Sharpton because otherwise this wouldn't have been blown out of proportion."

One thing is for sure, the media portrayal of what happened was biased and done purposefully to push an agenda. Based on comments by people here, a pro gun forum, the medias bias influence is working...

Just some yelling and what sounded like crying by a young voice

Last I heard (which, admittedly, was at least a day ago and things may have turned around again since then), the screaming/crying voice has been identified as Zimm and not Tray.

Last I heard (which, admittedly, was at least a day ago and things may have turned around again since then), the screaming/crying voice has been identified as Zimm and not the Tray.

 

 

 

The two female witness have it the other way around.

 

 

I think you meant: "Thank God for people like Al Sharpton because otherwise this wouldn't have been blown out of proportion."

 

 

No, I said it right the first time. I'm sure that's what "you" meant though.

Thank God for people like Al Sharpton because otherwise this would have been swept under the rug and kept there.

 

Tmost: Where was Al Sharpton when this took place?

 

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station

 

No agenda, no political traction, no Al Sharpton. The race card is only played when it suits an ulterior agenda.

 

 

Tmost: Where was Al Sharpton when this took place?

 

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station

 

No agenda, no political traction, no Al Sharpton. The race card is only played when it suits an ulterior agenda.

 

Give him a call and ask him. . if these kids are guilty they belong behind bars. Am i supposed to disagree with that? So what exactly is your point? They race card is played when it's dealt. I believe Zimm is the one who used the "N" word.

He never used the "N" word, sounds as if he said f-in coon. But to believe that Al sharpton is serving the greater good is naive. He cashes in whenever the oppurtunity presents itself. No good comes out of starting race riots across the country, are country has enough problems.

He never used the "N" word, sounds as if he said f-in coon. But to believe that Al sharpton is serving the greater good is naive. He cashes in whenever the oppurtunity presents itself. No good comes out of starting race riots across the country, are country has enough problems.

 

 

Ok, because f-Ing coon is sooooo much better. How can that be mistaken as racist? Say what you want about Sharpton but he brings a lot of dirt into the light... But I guess that kind of thing doesn't really exist anymore right? Who's really the naive one?

Give him a call and ask him. . if these kids are guilty they belong behind bars. Am i supposed to disagree with that? So what exactly is your point? They race card is played when it's dealt. I believe Zimm is the one who used the "N" word.

 

I don't think every time the race card is played it's truly dealt. What about a few years ago when that woman got upset because a flight attendant said "eenie, meanie, meiny, moe, pick a seat, we have to go"? The woman who was taking a long time to take her seat was black, and accused the flight attendant of being racist because the original version of that rhyme uses another word instead of "Tiger". And Sharpton doesn't fight for the civil rights of all, nor does he denounce racism on other peoples. What about the black panthers offering 10K for Z's capture?

 

Ironic your signature is "I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6!" When you're so quick to condemn someone who may be innocent, and may, actually have been defending himself in the first place.

Zimmerman is not at all racist. What happened was that while he was chasing Martin he noticed a group of raccoons near some garbage cans making a mess and that is when f'in coons came out of his mouth.

Thank God for Al Sharpton? Really?

Ok, because f-Ing coon is sooooo much better. How can that be mistaken as racist? Say what you want about Sharpton but he brings a lot of dirt into the light... But I guess that kind of thing doesn't really exist anymore right? Who's really the naive one?

 

yes he does but you need all the facts, this could be another twana brawley case for him...Sharpton always plays the race card..

 

 

I don't think every time the race card is played it's truly dealt. What about a few years ago when that woman got upset because a flight attendant said "eenie, meanie, meiny, moe, pick a seat, we have to go"? The woman who was taking a long time to take her seat was black, and accused the flight attendant of being racist because the original version of that rhyme uses another word instead of "Tiger". And Sharpton doesn't fight for the civil rights of all, nor does he denounce racism on other peoples. What about the black panthers offering 10K for Z's capture?

 

Ironic your signature is "I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6!" When you're so quick to condemn someone who may be innocent, and may, actually have been defending himself in the first place.

 

Ok so I'm being asked to explain all of these cases that I never heard of. Why don't you guys explain the Dialo or Sean Bell cases? You can't but that's not even the point. Apparently if justice was truly blind and racism didn't exist there wouldn't be a need for the likes of Al Sharpton. And if you bothered to read my original post you would see that I haven't condemned anyone. I'm just asking for a honest look at this case however it comes out. As for my sig? Yes that's right. But if I'm wrong when I pull the trigger then I'm wrong! do you think the right to own a gun means you can't be wrong when you use it? That' kind of thinking is just scarey and supports the anti gun movement.

 

I mentioned those other cases because you were thankful for the Good Reverand Sharpton. Yet he was mysteriously absent from these other hate crimes. He could easily have used his influential position in the African American community to denounce such actions.

 

Yet he was silent.....As was the media.....

 

 

I mentioned those other cases because you were thankful for the Good Reverand Sharpton. Yet he was mysteriously absent from these other hate crimes. He could easily have used his influential position in the African American community to denounce such actions.

 

Yet he was silent.....As was the media.....

 

Al Sharpton stands up for injustices to blacks. Whats wrong with that?? If the justice system did it he wouldnt have to. Thats the point you continually over look and probably will never understand.

 

white folks have Nancy Grace and The evening news. Black folks have The Good Rev Al Sharpton! LoL

white folks have Nancy Grace

We don't want her!!

 

We don't want her!!

 

 

LoL

Al Sharpton stands up for injustices to blacks.

 

I've tried to stay out of this discussion, until this. If injustices to African Americans were all that the good Al Sharpton and Rev. Jackson catered to, I wouldn't have an issue with them. However they don't, they use ANY issue where an African American draws the short straw, even if by their own doing, to pull the race card. This instance is a prime example.

Thank God for Al Sharpton? Really?

 

I was thinking the same thing. There aren't enough face palms in the world to respond to that comment.

 

 

I've tried to stay out of this discussion, until this. If injustices to African Americans were all that the good Al Sharpton and Rev. Jackson catered to, I wouldn't have an issue with them. However they don't, they use ANY issue where an African American draws the short straw, even if by their own doing, to pull the race card. This instance is a prime example.

 

 

Right, Because all black males are criminals and calling a black person a racial slur before shooting them dead is decent red blooded American behavior. No cause for alarm or suspicion there... Typical.

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There r two other witnesses in this case who do NOT support Zimmermans argument. Their account of events do not include seeing any attack. Just some yelling and what sounded like crying by a young voice followed by a gun shot which silenced the crying. Then they witnessed Zimmerman on top of a unarmed Martin who was at that point shot and face down on the ground. This case is very far from over and by no means favors Zimmerman. I think some of you guys are just worried about your right to own guns. I'm All for that but when you pull that trigger you better be right... If you are not then your a** belongs in jail. If this was a black man who shot some unarmed white kid he would be under the jail by now. Thank God for people like Al Sharpton because otherwise this would have been swept under the rug and kept there. How ever this plays out the TRUTH needs to be brought to light. Right now there are just two many questions and some very questionable behavior on the part of Zimmerman to just let this slide as is.

 

The larger Text and Bold text from your post is pure BS, How those words could ever be strung together in that order is beyond me. As well as many of the the rest if not all of your post.

 

Also before you go questioning me and what I am, I am in an interracial relationship so lets not even think about going down that road.

Ok, because f-Ing coon is sooooo much better. How can that be mistaken as racist? Say what you want about Sharpton but he brings a lot of dirt into the light... But I guess that kind of thing doesn't really exist anymore right? Who's really the naive one?

 

If you really think Al doesn't do more to separate races than bring them together your completely out of touch with what is really going on and what the end results are in not just this but many other events he is involved in.