Um, where have you been?

What is your question Ray? Do you think an additional charge of "hate crime" is valid? Or do you believe there are just crimes regardless of motivation as I do?

Why cant anyone admit it??? The guy was getting his a** kicked by a 17 year old. The question is who started it and why?? Zimmerman will never see jail time. The local police dept obviously is run by a bunch of Barnum and Bailey circus clowns and that to me is Zimmerman's saving grace.

Friday on Fox's America Live, they were discussing this with a pro-gun individual, didn't get his name , and an anti.

 

The pro-gun guy said that Zimmerman's face was bloody from the kid hitting on him. He then said that those reports aren't out there. The host, Megyn Kelly was surprised by this because she hadn't heard it.

 

I guess he was right, but no one is reporting it.

What is your question Ray? Do you think an additional charge of "hate crime" is valid? Or do you believe there are just crimes regardless of motivation as I do?

 

In this case I dont think hate crime charges apply. You said in your post that there is no such thing as latino on black crime. I have to disagree with you too. If you work in an inner city you would understand that just because of skin color certain groups will just not get along. Im not saying its right but its just the way it is. Not sure if its from upbringing but there is legitmate hate crime.

Why cant anyone admit it??? The guy was getting his a** kicked by a 14 year old 17 year old. The question is who started it and why?? Zimmerman will never see jail time. The local police dept obviously is run by a bunch of Barnum and Bailey circus clowns and that to me is Zimmerman's saving grace.

Why cant anyone admit it??? The guy was getting his a** kicked by a 14 year old. The question is who started it and why?? Zimmerman will never see jail time. The local police dept obviously is run by a bunch of Barnum and Bailey circus clowns and that to me is Zimmerman's saving grace.

 

Might want to check your facts here. The "kid" was a 17 year old 6' 3" tall football player. Z is 5' 9" and weighs 250.

So the police investigated, witness statements and 911 audio back up Z's statements. So since the facts back Z, Z was not arrested because the facts so far don't justify an arrest not because the PD being a bunch of clowns.

I've stayed away from this thread and others related for many reasons.

 

I hear talk of a "hate crime" Latino on Black? Give me a break. No such thing IMHO.

 

Remember there are two motivators in life sex and money and this is all about money.

 

The media plays this up regardless of truth to boost their ratings, PERIOD!

 

Sharpton and Jackson form marches / protests. Why money.

 

The President(in caps because I respect the office) plays this up why? Because he wants the Black vote, Money!

 

The parents want justice, sure...Money.

 

How old is the picture of the benign little boy with the Holister shirt on? I don't know just asking?

 

Was Martin trespassing? Did 911 only suggest Zim not pursue? Was Zim attacked? What was Martin's history and backgroud?

 

It's going to be difficult for Zim to get a fair trial.

 

And as I see it all the media hyping this and the racial agitators are all the enemies of our countries freedom and justice and subsequently or enemies.

 

I agree with most of this except I wouldn't say "no such thing as Latino on Black hate crimes." I believe there are hate crimes committed no matter the race. However, I don't believe this situation was a hate crime.

 

Besides sex and money as motivators, political agenda is a big one. The libs always play cases like this big time to promote their anti-gun views. The media is most concerned with ratings and political agenda. But then again, political agenda may tie back to money.

What is your question Ray? Do you think an additional charge of "hate crime" is valid? Or do you believe there are just crimes regardless of motivation as I do?

 

No, the "hate crime" charge is not valid. And if you think that crimes between blacks and Latino's are false then you have a lot to learn. Look no further than the bloods and crips gangs in California for that.

Might want to check your facts here. The "kid" was a 17 year old 6' 3" tall football player. Z is 5' 9" and weighs 250.

So the police investigated, witness statements and 911 audio back up Z's statements. So since the facts back Z, Z was not arrested because the facts so far don't justify an arrest not because the PD being a bunch of clowns.

 

OK I fixed it. SO who went after who then???? Also watch Mary Cutcher's interview about this. She went on television saying that the police were very brief with her when they questioned her. She was 1 of the 6 witnesses. I would think and hope police would do a more thorough investigation in any shooting before they made up their minds.

Might want to check your facts here. The "kid" was a 17 year old 6' 3" tall football player. Z is 5' 9" and weighs 250.

So the police investigated, witness statements and 911 audio back up Z's statements. So since the facts back Z, Z was not arrested because the facts so far don't justify an arrest not because the PD being a bunch of clowns.

 

Wow - I didn't know the kid was that big. The pics they show in the media make him look like a 14yr old little kid. That's bias for ya.

From what I understand this is going to go to a grand jury. If they decide he doesn't get charged, that should be the end of it.

Grand jury on april 10th. From what I understand the " kid" was quite a bit bigger than Zimmerman. The media shows a much younger picture and Zimmerman is not as heavy now as he was in the pictures shown. The new witness really changes the whole outlook on things.

 

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk

Yep...........condemmed before a jury trial................sorry the POTUS felt he had to comment once again.

Here's a few different ones the media isn't displaying. I found the below, on this site. http://www.trayvon.tk/

 

 

 

Well............the Pres. said....If I had a son, he would look like him.

Even more interesting..

 

If you wish to find it, his Facebook page is still open.. Open to the public. If you weed through all the RIP and such, you'll get to this part. It's still there, in public... Apparently their little angel was also a gardener? Cause his buddy is pissed off he wouldn't answer the phone and he's looking for "plant"

 

http://www.riehlworldview.com/.a/6a00d83451c1db69e20163033e0c4c970d-500wi

I'm still going to wait until more facts come out. "Z" is definitely a strange guy and the "kid" is more than what the media is portraying him as.

Somewhere in the middle is the truth.

The pic of Z is a mug shot from 2005 so he is no angel either

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk excuse the spelling

The mugshot was from a case that was dismissed. Looked into that too..

Yeah

I was just pointing out

Lots of info to learn on both sides

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk excuse the spelling

I reserve any judgement from any side regarding the incident itself until more comes out... and honestly not until after the dust settles.

However, it does drive me nuts, as in many "social injustice" cases like this, the defendant is made Public Enemy No. 1 before they even get a fair chance in court. It drives me more crazy when the rest of the community (firearms community that is) is put under the microscope unjustly and made to be bad guys because we hold on to our [guaranteed] belief.

Further, some of the opinions that have come up publicly from certain news source's really make me /facepalm. There is a way of thinking known as 'cultural relativity,' and is the basis to understanding cultures that are not your own. How fair is it for people that have no grasp or understanding of certain cultures to broad-stroke them based on their personal beliefs? (This is also known as cultural naivety; and this is when one believes that every other culture shares the same exact qualities as their own.) To read opinions from people who do not understand the reasoning behind 2A, or have depended on the government their whole life, arguing against policies, such as the stand your ground, really makes me scratch my head... especially when its major news sources that have the access to millions.

 

In the end, as much as I want to avoid having an opinion on this case until its over, I think Z will be found free of any fault, and in fact was just in his actions-- and rightfully should be the case. But, to be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if there as a turn of events-- considering the media sensation/bias being created (especially since it reached the Top).

 

As for this being a hate crime, or even notions of it-- no way. I do strongly believe there is basis for hate crimes in general, as 'hate' crimes is not about racism, but discrimination in general being the basis of the crime committed. Arguably the most horrific hate crime in history was inflicted upon a number of minority groups that may be considered white by most-- the Jewish (religious discrimination), eastern European gypsies (discrimination based on socio-economic status), and homosexuals (sexual preference) during the Holocaust. In the case of the Holocaust, it was in fact, mostly, intraracial (within the same race) violence (as is the case with most violence). So, is it feasible for people of the same race to inflict hate crimes upon each other? No doubt.

In this case, I don't see this as a hate crime because unless further information comes out, this was about a person who most likely was defending their own life... a case of self-defense. Race is negligible IMO.

Like I said in another thread, National CCW bill comes up, this happens, it's a media cream-dream. THAT's why this got to be such a big deal, and THAT's why they WONT report stuff like this.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2119615/Trayvon-Martin-case-Anonymous-witness-claims-teen-attacked-killer-George-Zimmerman-fatal-shooting.html

 

Notice the black panthers offering 10K for Z's capture.

If this thing pulls a 180, the socialists are going to have a lot of pie on their face

 

What does socialism have to do with this? As far as I can see, people on all sides of the political spectrum seem to be interested in this case (and viewing all sides of the situation variously).

Here's a few different ones the media isn't displaying. I found the below, on this site. http://www.trayvon.tk/

 

 

 

Oh, he looks like a black teenager. Gosh, that solves the whole problem.

Rev Al Sharpton calls for 'sustained protests' and says activists planning 'wave of civil disobedience'

Black Panthers put $10,000 bounty for Zimmerman's capture and are actively recruiting up to 5,000 new members

 

 

Herein is where the real problems lie..........IMO

If you throw out all the fluff and use a little common sense it seems to me what happened is no mystery.

 

Zimmerman thought he was following a bad guy...kid in turn thought he was being followed by a bad guy. Things got physical , with both of them thinking they were being attacked by a bad person. One person gets upper hand in the fight .Gun goes boom , skittles don't. Fight over.

 

Like I said in my original post on this , Zimmerman is at the very least a person who made a mistake by taking matters too far into his own hands , and at the very worst he committed murder. That is for a jury of his peers to suss out...he is not trained to pursue and deal with suspicious individuals. He called the police , right thing to do ..got out of his car , wrong thing to do . All hindsight now though.

 

It ended badly , a person who was not in the commission of a crime was shot dead by another civilian. I call that a bad shoot whether or not the shooter was in fear for his life. He should not have followed on foot a person he was suspicious of. That is what the police do. He did not see a neighbor or friend being assaulted or anything like that , no reason for him as a citizen to engage. As a citizen IMO you have a responsibility not to start something with someone unless they are in danger of hurting you or another person and , IMO , carrying a weapon puts you at a higher responsibility to not start with with someone like that. I mean , look what happened. One person is dead and another has a life that ruined in any event.

I love how half of this country thinks that by signing a petition, the police will just disregard law and arrest zimmerman because the public thinks its the right thing to do.. what a f'ckn joke.

I love how half of this country thinks that by signing a petition, the police will just disregard law and arrest zimmerman because the public thinks its the right thing to do.. what a f'ckn joke.

 

And this is why I don't bother to sign any online petitions...

If you throw out all the fluff and use a little common sense it seems to me what happened is no mystery.

 

Zimmerman thought he was following a bad guy...kid in turn thought he was being followed by a bad guy. Things got physical , with both of them thinking they were being attacked by a bad person. One person gets upper hand in the fight .Gun goes boom , skittles don't. Fight over.

 

Like I said in my original post on this , Zimmerman is at the very least a person who made a mistake by taking matters too far into his own hands , and at the very worst he committed murder. That is for a jury of his peers to suss out...he is not trained to pursue and deal with suspicious individuals. He called the police , right thing to do ..got out of his car , wrong thing to do . All hindsight now though.

 

It ended badly , a person who was not in the commission of a crime was shot dead by another civilian. I call that a bad shoot whether or not the shooter was in fear for his life. He should not have followed on foot a person he was suspicious of. That is what the police do. He did not see a neighbor or friend being assaulted or anything like that , no reason for him as a citizen to engage. As a citizen IMO you have a responsibility not to start something with someone unless they are in danger of hurting you or another person and , IMO , carrying a weapon puts you at a higher responsibility to not start with with someone like that. I mean , look what happened. One person is dead and another has a life that ruined in any event.

 

WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. Zimmerman said he was walking back to his car when the kid "jumped" him. I can't believe people are still justifying there own stories and calling it murder. Whether it is true or not who knows, but this whole story is just beating against a brick wall.

And for the record, there is a reason zimmerman was out there in the first place, the cops never were able to get there in time when people made calls..... I would feel more inclined to intervene if the cops were not able to help, or if i could help them keep an eye out until they got there. The kid was clearly off in this whole situation, im sorry but no one just runs from the first person that looks at them on the street in a gated community... You have to be paranoid or doing something wrong to go into a state of flight with such little influence, and in the whole 5-10 minutes this was going on, not once did the kid call 911, i would have dialed 911 if someone was chasing me for no good reason. So to honestly sit back and have people turn this into such a cut and dry story is just beyond me. I have way too many questions to ask about this whole thing.

If you throw out all the fluff and use a little common sense it seems to me what happened is no mystery.

 

Zimmerman thought he was following a bad guy...kid in turn thought he was being followed by a bad guy. Things got physical , with both of them thinking they were being attacked by a bad person. One person gets upper hand in the fight .Gun goes boom , skittles don't. Fight over.

 

IPW - Your thought process is flawed. You're assuming the kid wasn't up to anything. We don't know that. It was reported that there were burglaries going on in the neighborhood. How do we know he wasn't casing homes in the area? He could have gone to the store to use as an alibi if anything happened.

 

The point I'm making, is we really don't know what happened or the motives. How would you feel if you knew homes were getting broken into and you saw someone appearing as a "shady character" looking around? Maybe things did get out of hand, but we don’t know the truth. The media reports one side, and there are always two sides to a story. It’s not cut and dry as it appears.