I've heard of a "Yubang Wang".

 

Knew I should have made a right turn in Albuquerque..

I've heard of a "Yubang Wang".

 

Asian and Indian/Arabic names are funny because sometimes they don't translate.

 

I've seen

 

Phuk

Thong

Shithead

Anas

i cant subscribe to this thread, its just a horrible nightmare of a merry go round.

Some of the names in my Fiancee's classes (She's a teacher in Newark):

Shainahyla

Al-Basir

Jy’Ell

Kimora

Najeeyah

Keeshawn

Zimbreah

Jariah

Asada

Onaji

Jac’Quil

La’Shonte

Quado’u

Aquille

Tanajah

Janiyah

Milca

Ah-Sadda

Osariemen

Chinedu

Bi-yonce

Basim

 

I'd bet not one of them has parents with the same last name.

Mark, I don't get it... since when is a a 17 year old who was suspended 3 times from school for drugs and other offenses an "upstanding citizen?"

 

This has nothing to do with Zimmerman, this is strictly a case of trying to people painting Trayvon as a saint, who obviously is not.

 

Race has nothing to do with it, this is a case of...

 

Guy one assaulted guy 2. Guy 2 shot guy 1 in self defense. This is what the focus should be on.AS others pointed out, this is still "innocent until proven guilty," obviously there is nothing strong enough to suggest that Zim should be charged with anything.

 

Your idea of "well because it is a national issue we should bring up charges anyway and sort it out in court" You know that is exactly what the Nazi's did to the Jews in Germany, and the fascists in Soviet Union.

Geting back on track.............how many witnesses are their supposedly now.....?

Anyone have a count....?

Also, the Hoodie was banned from the floor of Congress today along with it's talking head.....

Mark, I don't get it... since when is a a 17 year old who was suspended 3 times from school for drugs and other offenses an "upstanding citizen?" Never called him an upstanding citizen

 

This has nothing to do with Zimmerman, this is strictly a case of trying to people painting Trayvon as a saint, who obviously is not.

(never painted him as a saint and have said a few times just the opposite that neither guy was apparently a saint)

 

Race has nothing to do with it, this is a case of...(I don't really think it is but we can't definitely say some prejudice didn't play a role...would he have done this if it was a white kid?)

 

Guy one assaulted guy 2. Guy 2 shot guy 1 in self defense. This is what the focus should be on.AS others pointed out, this is still "innocent until proven guilty," obviously there is nothing strong enough to suggest that Zim should be charged with anything. (There is no definitive proof that Martin attacked Zimmerman so you're the one really speculating on this one...I've also said that if Martin did attack Zimmerman than he was completely justified...we just don't know and when you don't know you investigate and you go to trial to let a jury of your peers decide...isn't that in the constitution too?)

 

Your idea of "well because it is a national issue we should bring up charges anyway and sort it out in court" You know that is exactly what the Nazi's did to the Jews in Germany, and the fascists in Soviet Union. (Obviously there was enough there to make the lead investigator want to prosecute so really I believe there should be a trial...the truth shall set you free my friend. Comparing me to a Nazi or fascist is highly insulting...I guess I'm just supposed to just agree with you and be done with it...come on man. I've seen a bunch of things posted on these threads that is borderline racist but I'm the Nazi? I would expect more from the moderator of this forum and now I'm starting to wonder if i even belong here. Sorry if I wanted to debate the subject I figure a forum of adults could handle it)

Here's what I was going to post before I read the last insulting post. It's a well written article about the role the media has played in this case. I'll admit I was wrong about the Neighborhood Watch thing. He was just going to the grocery store and he had every right to CCW. I'm sorry guy but until we know who attacked who we'll never know who was right or wrong. Enjoy the article.

 

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2012/03/trayvon.html

Also since when was a jury by you peers Nazi or fascist? I thought that would be the opposite. I don't remember the jews going before a judge before they got gassed.

Mark,

 

I really don't think Maks was comparing you to a nazis or fascist, nor trying to insult you.

 

As to the trial you want, there are procedures. They are still investigating and I thought they even talked about convening a Grand Jury.

 

Those are the first steps.

 

The Grand Jury is made up of his peers, they listen to the evidence and decide if there should be a trial or not.

Mark,

 

I really don't think Maks was comparing you to a nazis or fascist, nor trying to insult you.

 

As to the trial you want, there are procedures. They are still investigating and I thought they even talked about convening a Grand Jury.

 

Those are the first steps.

 

The Grand Jury is made up of his peers, they listen to the evidence and decide if there should be a trial or not.

 

That's all i ever asked for. The lead investigator felt they should prosecute. I think a trial is the right way to go. Really that's all I've really been saying. Obviously there's a lot of unknowns.

That's all i ever asked for. The lead investigator felt they should prosecute. I think a trial is the right way to go. Really that's all I've really been saying. Obviously there's a lot of unknowns.

 

Mark- Grand Jury first, that is the process!

Mark- Grand Jury first, that is the process!

 

I realize that, but it's a start in the right direction. Taking this guy's word and letting him go is ridiculous no matter what color his or the victim's skin was.

I realize that, but it's a start in the right direction. Taking this guy's word and letting him go is ridiculous no matter what color his or the victim's skin was.

 

My next question is if there is no indictment will everyone be satisfied?

I will be and i think many people will be as long as it's thoroughly investigated. Will everyone feel the same way probably not but I think we need to look into it more before we exonerate Zimmerman.

Mark- Grand Jury first, that is the process!

 

Investigation first... or shall we say, 2nd or 3rd investigation. The first investigation didn't turn up evidence that convinced a prosecutor that a GJ was warranted.

 

I fear at this point there is no way Zimmerman can get a fair shake.

 

As for names...some of the funnier I've seen

Kock Yu

Peter Pan

Pradeep Pradeep

mea mea

and a whole host of others. As Mark had mentioned, Asian/Indian names can make for interesting translations. I work in IT, seen a lot of good ones.

Investigation first... or shall we say, 2nd or 3rd investigation. The first investigation didn't turn up evidence that convinced a prosecutor that a GJ was warranted.

 

I fear at this point there is no way Zimmerman can get a fair shake.

 

As for names...some of the funnier I've seen

Kock Yu

Peter Pan

Pradeep Pradeep

mea mea

and a whole host of others. As Mark had mentioned, Asian/Indian names can make for interesting translations. I work in IT, seen a lot of good ones.

 

The only part that gets me about the first investigation is it was done by a police force that he and his family were "connected to" which just sounds fishy to me. I'm still trying to figure out how a guy beats an assault on police officer and 2 domestic violence charges. Something is just not right.

 

I think you're right that he really won't get a fair trial, but with the publicity this has attracted it will probably end in an aquittal if it even goes to trial.

That's all i ever asked for. The lead investigator felt they should prosecute. I think a trial is the right way to go. Really that's all I've really been saying. Obviously there's a lot of unknowns.

we just don't know and when you don't know you investigate and you go to trial to let a jury of your peers decide

 

The prosecutors office can't charge someone with a crime because they "don't know". It doesn't work that way. Please read up on the burden of proof, which lists the necessary requirements which need to be met in order to stop, arrest, charge, and convict someone of a crime.

 

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=frgbld&gs_nf=1&tok=itCJl-hrHWGTfhLzdcGtmA&pq=what%20is%20the%20burden%20of%20proof%20to%20charge%20someone&cp=7&gs_id=y&xhr=t&q=burden+of+proof&pf=p&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&oq=burden+&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=66af7b1ec92c809a&biw=1280&bih=709

oh and Peter Pan is hilarious...Asian guy? I had an Eric Shin in my class in high school. go ahead say the name fast a few times. He was always in trouble and we'd all get a kick out of our VP calling for Eric Shin to come to his office haha

The prosecutors office can't charge someone with a crime because they "don't know". It doesn't work that way. Please read up on the burden of proof, which lists the necessary requirements which need to be met in order to stop, arrest, charge, and convict someone of a crime.

 

https://www.google.c...iw=1280&bih=709

 

Yes like I've stated the lead investigator felt there was enough to prosecute. Is it hard to believe that someone in the prosecutes office was protecting the judges son?

I will be and i think many people will be as long as it's thoroughly investigated. Will everyone feel the same way probably not but I think we need to look into it more before we exonerate Zimmerman.

 

I doubt that highly. The police need to drag their feet with this, and let emotions calm down. If they end up not indicting him, and they do this soon, it will cause MASS rioting. Fortunately, if the riots of the past are any indication, people will burn their own neighborhoods down.

 

You are forgetting that the back of Z's head was bloodied pretty bad which is not an easy injury to sustain. Not only is it unlikely that at JUST that time he fell, and hit his head open, but the fact that the police report cites, "multiple lacerations" or "lacerations (plural)" which would be conclusive with repeated blows to the head. Which, if he was not attacked first, where would these come from? Furthermore, if he had not been attacked by surprise, why couldn't he just pull his gun to get Treyvon to back off, or, assuming he did kill treyvon in cold blood, where did he get bloodied up?

 

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/misconceptions-in-the-trayvon-martin-case

What I meant is if there's not 100% that states he's innocent then an investigation is warranted. One investigator already thought charges should be filed. I always thought trials existed because people don't know what happened and you have a jury of peers decide the outcome based on evidence.

I doubt that highly. The police need to drag their feet with this, and let emotions calm down. If they end up not indicting him, and they do this soon, it will cause MASS rioting. Fortunately, if the riots of the past are any indication, people will burn their own neighborhoods down.

 

You are forgetting that the back of Z's head was bloodied pretty bad which is not an easy injury to sustain. Not only is it unlikely that at JUST that time he fell, and hit his head open, but the fact that the police report cites, "multiple lacerations" or "lacerations (plural)" which would be conclusive with repeated blows to the head. Which, if he was not attacked first, where would these come from? Furthermore, if he had not been attacked by surprise, why couldn't he just pull his gun to get Treyvon to back off, or, assuming he did kill treyvon in cold blood, where did he get bloodied up?

 

http://www.wagist.co...von-martin-case

 

Those injuries could come from a struggle that may have ensued. NO ONE KNOWS HOW IT STARTED!

 

It's possible Zimmerman confronts Martin. Martin tries to run. Zimmerman grabs him not expecting the kid to fight back or getting caught off guard. Martin punches breaking the nose knocking Zimmerman to the ground. Martin now fearing for his life jumps on top and starts bashing his head into the ground to knock him unconscious and end the threat. Zimmerman shoots Martin and claims self defense. I'm not saying it happened that way but it is possible and that's why I think there needs to be more of an investigation. We just don't know.

 

Great link by the way...not the type of source I'd be quoting as truth. The Wagist there's no info or articles on this site that don't relate to this case and don't paint the entire opposite picture of what you complain the media does. It's just the other end of the spectrum and like i've said over and over the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

I doubt that highly. The police need to drag their feet with this, and let emotions calm down. If they end up not indicting him, and they do this soon, it will cause MASS rioting. Fortunately, if the riots of the past are any indication, people will burn their own neighborhoods down.

 

Probably a good idea. Let some other big news stories drop in the mean time.

Those injuries could come from a struggle that may have ensued. NO ONE KNOWS HOW IT STARTED!

 

It's possible Zimmerman confronts Martin. Martin tries to run. Zimmerman grabs him not expecting the kid to fight back or getting caught off guard. Martin punches breaking the nose knocking Zimmerman to the ground. Martin now fearing for his life jumps on top and starts bashing his head into the ground to knock him unconscious and end the threat. Zimmerman shoots Martin and claims self defense. I'm not saying it happened that way but it is possible and that's why I think there needs to be more of an investigation. We just don't know.

 

Great link by the way...not the type of source I'd be quoting as truth. The Wagist there's no info or articles on this site that don't relate to this case and don't paint the entire opposite picture of what you complain the media does. It's just the other end of the spectrum and like i've said over and over the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

 

Except we know, from the 911 call that Z lost Martin, he couldn't keep up visual contact. Ergo, it is very unlikely that he COULD have initiated conflict.

 

I used to believe Z committed a crime, but the evidence does NOT add up. Furthermore, if you read that article, it's more the logical presentations the author provides, which show that the currently accepted story does not make sense, logically.

IMO.........................Z was obviously confronted and then sucker punched which is how he got the initial broken nose.....then T kncked him down, mounted him and proceeded to slam his head into the sidewalk......Z probably shot him at point blank range after screaming for help......that's how I see it.

Except we know, from the 911 call that Z lost Martin, he couldn't keep up visual contact. Ergo, it is very unlikely that he COULD have initiated conflict.

 

I used to believe Z committed a crime, but the evidence does NOT add up. Furthermore, if you read that article, it's more the logical presentations the author provides, which show that the currently accepted story does not make sense, logically.

 

It's a poorly designed website that's run by two guys whose sole purpose seems to discredit anything about Zimmerman being guilty...again not saying he is.

 

All we know is Zimmerman said he lost visual contact, but yet you take him by word. If we must believe that Martin is a wannabe thug gangsta drug addict than we have to look at Zimmerman as a girl-beating cop assaulting scumbag with political connections that appear to have gotten him out of trouble. My point in this thread is a lot of what is believed is Zimmerman's own word. I just don't know if I trust the guy.

IMO.........................Z was obviously confronted and then sucker punched which is how he got the initial broken nose.....then T kncked him down, mounted him and proceeded to slam his head into the sidewalk......Z probably shot him at point blank range after screaming for help......that's how I see it.

 

i could also see that happening. If that's the way it happened then Z deserves to be free. The problem is no one knows for sure and we're all speculating. Many of you have 1 idea and i happen to have another. I think great debates make us think abou the other side. If it does go to trial it'll be a sh*t show though.

I'd bet not one of them has parents with the same last name.

 

You'd lose that bet.

Here's another good article that I think says a lot of what I've been trying to say.

 

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20120328/ARTICLE/120329508?p=1&tc=pg