Those wounds were not sustained from BB birdshot and we know it. The anti birdshot folks seem to believe that all birdshot is equal in devastation regardless of shot size. This is demonstrably false.

Those wounds were not sustained from BB birdshot and we know it. The anti birdshot folks seem to believe that all birdshot is equal in devastation regardless of shot size. This is demonstrably false.

 

no..

 

we think there is a chance birdshot will work...

but we KNOW buckshot will work...

 

and when it comes to HD we choose not to take the chance..

Hey I'm just playing around use what ever works for you.

True, except those arguing AR vs AK have the convenience of knowing that each round is capable of hitting vitals.

Very good point sir.

and when it comes to HD we choose not to take the chance..

This.

Funny that the ones here with the biggest mouths don't even use a shotgun for HD. Fools

Funny that the ones here with the biggest mouths don't even use a shotgun for HD. Fools

 

 

Funny how you seem to think you know what I have and use in my own home. Fool.

 

Funny how you seem to think you know what I have and use in my own home. Fool.

 

Only going by what you say, Fool.

Yea, I would never share the truth about what I have and use with anyone, let alone you.

Yea, I would never share the truth about what I have and use with anyone, let alone you.

 

I like how you abuse your mod powers to get the last word, whatever

 

Back on topic, please.

I'm not denying the power of buckshot or slugs, as those 2 are devastating rounds. If I lived in a large house or had more room, then buckshot would win out. But I live in a small apartment with the longest shot would be less than 15 feet. Inside that distance, birdshot is DEVASTATING. And not just any birdshot, super duper birdshot. http://www.remington...ense-loads.aspx

for home defense.. I use whatever I grab first.. the truth is all of my rifles are efficient for defending myself.. they all have light systems.. they are all loaded with ammunition that is efficient for personal defense.. so if it were a saiga 12.. then it would be a saiga 12.. loaded with polyshocks in a mag or buckshot in the drum..

for home defense.. I use whatever I grab first.. the truth is all of my rifles are efficient for defending myself.. they all have light systems.. they are all loaded with ammunition that is efficient for personal defense

 

that

Gun blast did a great vid on bird shot for home defense also. Hangs pork shoulder wrapped in ribs wrapped in denim. Results convinced me. Watching tn and gb vids prompted me to now have #8 bs as my first two loaded shells. I follow these two guys and hockok45 a lot. Great info.

for the last time.. shoot gel.. shoot a pig.. shoot this.. shoot that..

 

or trust the first hand account..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BACnPBdsH20

 

this was a regular kid.. taken by surprise.. he didn't even feel the first shot..

think about what it would do to some cracked out 300+lb criminal..

 

YES.. birdshot MIGHT work...

but there are far better choices.. such as an AR15.. which WILL work.. or buckshot which WILL work...

True...Unreal story...

But it DID stop his a**. In his own words, he dropped to the ground.

Let's not mistake the situation....luck, Those shots he received were terminal...

 

What I was getting at was more like this Dutch loading:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-HGQRpbIEI

 

and just in case mo one found the vid:

 

All of this: non scientific, but makes me think.

Not an "argument" by any means...

Prior to the Gunblast vid...I never considered Bird shot.

00 Buck and two last resort slugs for me.

How about "wax" slugs? I have no intention of using these for anything, other than to just play around and experiment. I made a small batch last month and finally got up to the range today to test them. Ingredients included 7/8 oz.of #8 shot, and a bit of Crayola crayon melted to make 1 oz. I topped each one off with a 20 ga. .125 card set into the wax while it was still hot. I used a moderate powder charge of Titewad. Anticipated MV with this load is rated at 1235fps. These are some trial and error examples: