His two big issues seem to be the loaded .38 without a carry permit and the pot.

 

I cannot find any statement that the magazine was loaded, most reports I have read mention a 40 round "clip" and a loaded firearm (the .38) but nothing stating definitively that the magazine was loaded. Even if it was, what good is it if the AK itself was disassembled anyway?

 

Sounds like the blowhards at the top are trying to make much more of this than there is. The what if BS is truly annoying, I own a 5 gallon gas can, a propane tank and a box of matches, does that mean it is somehow imminent that I'm going to do something nefarious with them? Give me a break, what a bunch of tools, blathering on about what he "could have done".

His two big issues seem to be the loaded .38 without a carry permit and the pot.

 

I cannot find any statement that the magazine was loaded, most reports I have read mention a 40 round "clip" and a loaded firearm (the .38) but nothing stating definitively that the magazine was loaded. Even if it was, what good is it if the AK itself was disassembled anyway?

 

Sounds like the blowhards at the top are trying to make much more of this than there is. The what if BS is truly annoying, I own a 5 gallon gas can, a propane tank and a box of matches, does that mean it is somehow imminent that I'm going to do something nefarious with them? Give me a break, what a bunch of tools, blathering on about what he "could have done".

 

exactly the point i was trying to make earlier.

 

If police want to arrest people for crimes they MIGHT commite, our jail cells will be filled to capicity in a few short hours.

 

what do they think this is? Minority Report?

Seems like he broke some laws by not having a CCW license around the HG. Otherwise, everything else is just full on stupidity. Discretion is the unwritten rule. Just like you don't go on a subway wearing a a machete with a chainsaw strapped to your back while you are on your way to help a friend clear out their backyard. Your gonna have a bad time.

 

THIS^^^^^^

 

But let's face it, it IS kinda stupid to mix weed, guns, pills & cash on the same trip! Maybe he doesn't deserve to have the "book thrown at him", but man oh man, here's just one more example of a dirtbag who hasn't yet been convicted of anything he's been caught doing, acting like a spokesperson for the Gun Lobby. No thanks Mr. Asswipe, you don't speak for me or my fellow bretheren. And he's certainly NO Poster Child for Gun Rights advocates to huddle around. In fact, the opposite is true......

 

Dave

If they arrested him for the ak-47 and then found everything else on him would it stand in court?

 

That would be my question. What was the reason to stop and search him? Carrying a bag?

Yes he's a butthead and is not a poster child for 2A, but I'm guessing it all gets tossed for illegal search.

I found out he concented to the search. He's f**ked.

I found out he concented to the search. He's f**ked.

 

Well in that case, he is too stupid to be allowed loose on the streets. Consent to a search while you know you have pot on you, complete dumb ass.

Would profiling work in this case? How do we as gun owners protect ourselves when we are profiled as some nut job just because we are carrying a gun?

This guy is an idiot...

Nobody is argueing that this guy is an idiot. I was more pointing out what the da and mayor said.

Nobody is argueing that this guy is an idiot. I was more pointing out what the da and mayor said.

 

Agreed, but at this point can you blame them.. this guy had a loaded mag with him not good..we do not know what his intentions were.. the cops may have diverted another disaster..

His two big issues seem to be the loaded .38 without a carry permit and the pot.

 

I think having an unloaded rifle (the loaded mag doesn't matter, that's a summary offense) carries the same penalty as a loaded .38.

I think having an unloaded rifle (the loaded mag doesn't matter, that's a summary offense) carries the same penalty as a loaded .38.

 

The loaded mag does matter, it was one step in the wrong direction.. that will be his biggest problem..

 

 

The loaded mag does matter, it was one step in the wrong direction.. that will be his biggest problem..

 

I don't think I was clear.

 

I believe an unloaded rifle is the same crime as a loaded handgun in Philly.

 

Having a loaded mag with a rifle anywhere in PA is a summary offense. Normally something like a traffic ticket I would guess.

 

So, the loaded mag doesn't mean much.

I believe an unloaded rifle is the same crime as a loaded handgun in Philly.

 

That can't be. How would you get a rifle home, or from home to a range if just having it is an offense?

 

 

That can't be. How would you get a rifle home, or from home to a range if just having it is an offense?

 

How would you get a pistol home, or to the range, in Jersey?

 

A rifle in Philly is the same as a handgun in Philly or a handgun in Jersey. Get a license to carry and you are covered.

From the article - "Both weapons were legally registered" ?????? So does PA have gun registration? There is a list of names in some computer showing what guns every PA citizen has, S/Ns and all?????? I am just asking. Does NJ have gun registration?

 

Also what is an "AK47" in the article context? A Saiga? A tax stamped select fire?

 

You just cannot get plain and simple facts anymore from the press, the anti gunners or the NJGF.

 

Help me understand.

If it was full auto you better believe we would have heard about it.

How would you get a pistol home, or to the range, in Jersey?

 

Unloaded and cased, just like this guy was transporting his rifle.

 

A rifle in Philly is the same as a handgun in Philly or a handgun in Jersey. Get a license to carry and you are covered.

So you would need a ltc to open or conceal carry a LOADED weapon, not an unloaded

cased weapon. So rifle would have been fine.

 

The loaded .38 and the pot are where this guy f'd up.

The problem is the da, mayor and media want to crucify this guy for owning an ak-47 just because they don't like guns.

 

Unloaded and cased, just like this guy was transporting his rifle.

 

So you would need a ltc to open or conceal carry a LOADED weapon, not an unloaded

cased weapon. So rifle would have been fine.

 

You need a LTCF to carry a rifle anywhere in Philly except from home to range, etc.

 

If you do NOT have a LTCF, and the rifle is LOADED from home to range etc., not a big deal. It's a summary offense.

 

If the rifle is UNLOADED, and you are not going from home to range etc., it is the same as a loaded handgun. Jail.

 

Whether or not the rifle is loaded means almost nothing. That was my original point, and it is unchanged:

 

 

 

I think having an unloaded rifle (the loaded mag doesn't matter, that's a summary offense) carries the same penalty as a loaded .38.

 

You questioned that^ when you first responded to me. Is your question answered or is there still confusion?

Well he should get locked up for the drugs. No argument there.

 

Don't want to trainwreck the thread, but for me, this opinion already did. I find it humorous that this is a firearms forum and you're agreeing that the government "should" be imprisoning your "free fellow citizens" for doing something as simple as carrying some drugs. Did he hurt or kill anyone with them?

 

Again, rhetorical. Not really looking for an answer. Laws against citizens only empower the government against the People. The war on drugs is no exception. Maybe we can try to stop bashing our fellow citizens for victimless crimes and keep the conversation here on guns......................just sayin.

Don't want to trainwreck the thread, but for me, this opinion already did. I find it humorous that this is a firearms forum and you're agreeing that the government "should" be imprisoning your "free fellow citizens" for doing something as simple as carrying some drugs. Did he hurt or kill anyone with them?

Is he dumb as a stump? Yes. Did he break the law? Yes. Bye Bye have fun in jail.

 

Again, rhetorical. Not really looking for an answer. Laws against citizens only empower the government against the People. The war on drugs is no exception. Maybe we can try to stop bashing our fellow citizens for victimless crimes and keep the conversation here on guns......................just sayin.

Victimless? Who are you kidding? Ever hear of the Mexican crime cartels? Bolivian Cartels? The Mob? Gangs? They don't hurt anyone do they? {/Sarcasm off]

 

You don't like the law petition to get it changed.

Victimless? Who are you kidding? Ever hear of the Mexican crime cartels? Bolivian Cartels? The Mob? Gangs? They don't hurt anyone do they? {/Sarcasm off]

 

hmmmm......let's see. If you could legally grow weed in your backyard.....why would there be cartels? Oh, that's right, they wouldn't have any money, hence, no power......just like the gangs. The mob would still find ways to make money though

Is he dumb as a stump? Yes. Did he break the law? Yes. Bye Bye have fun in jail.

 

 

Victimless? Who are you kidding? Ever hear of the Mexican crime cartels? Bolivian Cartels? The Mob? Gangs? They don't hurt anyone do they? {/Sarcasm off]

 

You don't like the law petition to get it changed.

 

I'm not big on people using drugs, I’m more of a libertarian than anything so to each his own; those criminal organizations exist not because people want to take drugs but because there are laws that make drugs illegal. No one learned their lesson with prohibition, if people want it and you make it illegal you do nothing but drive the product's market underground and fuel criminal enterprises. You cannot change human nature by enacting a law; it just doesn't work that way. In my opinion, the war on drugs should end and the activity should be regulated and taxed.