BLF,

 

Imagine this chain of completely ridiculous circumstances.

 

 

I see a man I don't know in dark clothing walking up my driveway. He has a gun.

For my safety, I pull a rifle an tell him to stay where he is.

"I'm a cop" he responds. My answer is don't give me that cop crap.

I disarm him, at gun point, and call 911 to make sure he's a cop

Sure enough he is a cop. I then return his gun to him and say sorry about that have a nice day.

 

What would you do? I pretty sure "Thanks, I'll be going now" is not going to be your response.

so why should that be RBT's response.

I'd say is time to make an appointment with the police chief. Be polite, express your pleasure that the officers were polite when they figured out the situation, and discuss with him how such issues might be avoided in the future. We want to be seen as the law abiding, concern citizens we are, no?

 

+1

its was after they asertained that I was the landowner and they were looking over my weapons

 

Get a lawyer. Sue the pants off them. This kind of bs has got to stop. The War on Drugs and the Patriot Act have given PD's complete carte blanche to do whatever the hell they see fit in the name of "safety".... Bill of Rights be damned.

I know the chief personally as well as many of the offeicers on the forcer. THEY KNOW i shoot out there.. which is why this is so puzzling. Although ill admit the ones who arrived (mostly younger) were all officers ive never seen/dealt with before

 

Go talk to the Chief

you hear gunshots regularly in rural areas.

There goes that common sense thing again...

Conditioning as I see it... As more and more police forces are para militarized and they are conditioned as well... Someone gave them the order/OK... the two-minute away DA? And, LEOs reading this, please explain why it was necessary to throw the OP's property on the ground?

 

What if one of them had mistaken one of your gestures or what was in your hand at the time, etc., then maybe you wouldn't be writing this post.

so, your on private property and discharging firearms legally and the police have the right to check on you? Wow, I didn't know that. So, if I'm in my apartment can the police check on my well being too? I hope so

BLF,

 

Imagine this chain of completely ridiculous circumstances.

 

 

I see a man I don't know in dark clothing walking up my driveway. He has a gun.

For my safety, I pull a rifle an tell him to stay where he is.

"I'm a cop" he responds. My answer is don't give me that cop crap.

I disarm him, at gun point, and call 911 to make sure he's a cop

Sure enough he is a cop. I then return his gun to him and say sorry about that have a nice day.

 

What would you do? I pretty sure "Thanks, I'll be going now" is not going to be your response.

so why should that be RBT's response.

 

In this state you would be in trouble for being outside with the gun. You would be better served going inside, locking the doors and calling the police. Is it stupid yes but that's the way this state is. In the real world if you see no credentials then you are in the right

so, your on private property and discharging firearms legally and the police have the right to check on you? Wow, I didn't know that. So, if I'm in my apartment can the police check on my well being too? I hope so

 

Yes they can if they have reason to believe you are in need of assistance

In this state you would be in trouble for being outside with the gun. You would be better served going inside, locking the doors and calling the police. Is it stupid yes but that's the way this state is. In the real world if you see no credentials then you are in the right

 

So you are saying an NJ resident can't carry on his/her property?

 

So you are saying an NJ resident can't carry on his/her property?

 

Not at all but being outside with it in a threatening manner could get you jammed up.

Yes they can if they have reason to believe you are in need of assistance

 

okay, can you come over now and check up on me?

Not at all but being outside with it in a threatening manner could get you jammed up.

 

What about being outside with it in a self-defending manner?

 

okay, can you come over now and check up on me?

 

Nope...could care less what happens to you?

Nope...could care less what happens to you?

 

To protect and serve right? I guess not if you don't like the person. I'd hate to see what you do to regular joe shmoe's on the street with that attitude.

Actually I do care about everybody else. Just not you. So I guess that does make you special

A little Bayonne love goin' on...

A little Bayonne love goin' on...

 

He loves me, it's just hard for him to show it sometimes.

 

 

Not at all but being outside with it in a threatening manner could get you jammed up.

 

My point exactly. When the swat guys, pointed their loaded weapon at a man on his own property with

no weapon in his hand, that is about as threatening a manner as you can get.

They should get as jammed up as anyone else acting like an idiot.

 

I'm willing to bet this whole ordeal is the fault of the prosecuter.

If something illegal was going on, you can bet he would be on TV making a speech on how he's tough on gun crime.

Just look at the arsenal we took off the street.

 

He loves me, it's just hard for him to show it sometimes.

 

Those days are over. Now he just carries on as an antagonistic weasel

So with LEOs, I guess the times are here where we are guilty until confirmed innocent? Nice.

Times have changed. Does it suck yes but times have changed.

 

I find it disturbing that more and more LEO's (esp. those with a military background) seem to refer to the general citizenry in terms such as "friendlies" as if we were in a war zone like Iraq or Afghanistan. We are U.S. citizens... not friendlies or enemy combatants. This military type bent that law enforcement has undertaken is of concern.

 

(IMO) The LEO's with finger on the trigger response as in the OP's statement was unnecessary. Heaven forbid no sudden moves were made, or that someone didn't pull a cell phone out of their pocket.

 

Being an LEO is inherently a dangerous job. My hat's off to people who choose that as an occupation and make it a career as well as those in the military (and I speak as a military vet myself). That being said, mitigating your own safety by transferring the exposure to danger to the civilian population is not right either. ie. I've seen too many shootings in the news as of late where LEO's have shot an innocent or unarmed person by mistake for one reason or another.

Not at all but being outside with it in a threatening manner could get you jammed up.

 

can you describe threatening manner?

I agree with the criticisms about the culture within the police force and the rapid militarization of said force and really the entire public, notably all since 9/11. There is a clear distinction of dealing with the community here in the states. To dehumanize the general public for the sake of "safety" is the same done in warfare; and if that notion is carried into the public sphere here, there is no doubt that the rights (small 'r', not necessarily big 'R') of citizens will be eroded.

 

Solution lies equally in the acceptance and changing of policing by the authorities as well as the general public for not just "taking it."

FFL next to cop shop. Now I know what we're talking about because that's my FFL too. I'm about 10 minutes away.

Don't make any "unnecessary" stops on the way home with that new weapon, now.

OP did not break any laws and remained compliant when officers arrived. Once officers drew their weapons w/fingers on trigger, OP & friend's lives were unnecessarily put at risk. I'm glad the situation ended without anyone getting hurt.

 

But, what would have happened if the nervous female rookie accidentally discharged her firearm?

 

FFL next to cop shop. Now I know what we're talking about because that's my FFL too. I'm about 10 minutes away.

Don't make any "unnecessary" stops on the way home with that new weapon, now.

 

They're good guys in there. My dad actually built the owners house. However they just increased they're transfer fee from 40+nics to 65+nics Sadly at that cost I dont know if i can use them for transfers anymore) It was quite the suprise when it rang out to 85+ for the transfer

 

I'm willing to bet this whole ordeal is the fault of the prosecuter.

 

 

Knowing our county prosecutor, I'm willing to bet that's the case. The SWAT team isn't just that local department, its comprised of members from all over Cape May County. They had to put the call out for SWAT, wait for the members to respond, suit up and enter the property. That isn't a 5-10 minute process. I'm willing to bet the prosecutor was there when SWAT was suiting up, and waited for them to clear the area before entering himself.

They told me "the swat guys just happened to be inn the area"

 

sure I believe that...

HAHAHA! I guess the cops didn't take an oath to "never lie". I think they planned it, especially with the damn prosecutor there.

On the FFL...I like those folks. I've had a number of guns transferred by them and I think it's just because they really don't sell that many guns that they get so much for transfers- gotta make money somehow. I buy what I can there, but haven't bought a gun there yet (although there were a couple of nice used ones I should have jumped on).

Builders in that area? I probably know you or your family. Worked for one in that area and then had a business in the county for 18 years.