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Second Amendment Preservation and Protection Act (SAPPA)

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YAhahahaha! Any little good news in NJ is BIG good news. A crumb means a lot to a starving man. Can't wait to read it.

THank you again for your efforts!

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  • There was a development that created the need to contact the Circuit Court of Appeals. We can't tell you more than that now.  Hope you understand. But know this, there have been significant things h

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There was a development that created the need to contact the Circuit Court of Appeals.

We can't tell you more than that now.  Hope you understand.

But know this, there have been significant things happening and all of them good,

We will be able to get more info out in a few days.

Dwight

Thanx for the good news, hard to come by these days. Good luck and appreciate your perseverance.

I have no more patience for this state. Just bought land in America. 25 acres in Michigan.

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Hi All,

SAPPA Status Update

 

Instead of writing narrative here to inform you of the latest on our Federal Lawsuit I decided to just paste in the latest update from our SAPPA Log which can be found on the SAPPA Pages of www.tpath.org

 

Nick and I would like to note that even though we are moving through the federal court system pretty much as Nick had predicted (except for the extensive delays) as we have always said, the only place this legal action will ultimately prevail is in the Supreme Court.  Right now, with the Court being 4 to 4 liberal/conservative, we do not want this case getting there until the 9th Justice is seated.  Any ties in Supreme Court cases revert back to the lower court.  This we cannot allow.

 

So please, some of you on this forum do not like Trump.  Understand you are not voting for the man, you are voting for his policies and the future of our gun rights.  One or more liberals on the Supreme Court and hundreds of judges on the other lower Federal Courts will destroy this country for 50 years and possibly forever.

 

Here then is the latest update from the SAPPA web pages.  There is much good news in this update.

Thanks to all of you,

Dwight

&

Nick

 

 

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October 18, 2016- The Jurisdictional Brief was formally submitted to the Circuit Court of Appeals.  There may be a panel of just three (3) judges deciding this or the entire Circuit Court group of judges may be involved.  Mr.Purpura requested that it go before the entire Court, legally called en banc.  We will now have to wait and see just how they will handle this.  The filing can be seen HERE.

 

October 15, 2016- Mr. Purpura received a response form  Circuit Court regarding his request for page enlargement.  They agreed to allow six (6) additional pages. However, since we are working on a deadline, the Brief had gone through its final editing and was complete and ready to be filed without the need for these extra pages.  

 

October 5, 2016- Having not received a response from the  Circuit Court concerning our enlargement request, the filing was edited down to the 30 page limit and all of us believe this document to be complete, impressive and the information in it will be very hard to ignore.  This document will, when filed, have a TitlePage, a table of contents and a list of the authorities we used in its preparation. 

 

November 3, 2016- As we struggled to get the Brief down to the 30 page limit Mr. Purpura prepared and sent a letter to the Circuit Court requesting an enlargement of the page limit because the filing would need to encompass three Defense Teams.   See that letter HERE.

 

September 20, 2016- Mr. Purpura began the research needed to prove Circuit Court Jurisdiction and working with the SAPPA Group member, Dwight Kehoe, began preparing and editing this very important new filing.  This task was monumental in that the information regarding the three Defense Teams needed to be compressed into a 30 page maximum filing.  It also needed to include Title Page, indexes and authorities which are required to prove Jurisdiction.

 

September 12, 2016- The United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit issued a new Court Order in response to Mr. Purpura's  filing which explained that the Circuit Court did indeed have Jurisdiction concerning the District Court's ruling. That Order, which issued a C.A. Number of 16-3173  to this case, changed its earlier Order and issued this new one which indicated that there may in fact be Jurisdiction for them.  This is great news because with this new order, we can get much information to the Circuit Court that we feel they need to be aware of. We need to make it clear that this new order does not totally agree with Mr. Purpura concerning Jurisdiction but only that it has agreed to have a panel look at it.  This can be considered nothing less than yet another successful maneuver by our own Pre Se, Mr. Nicholas Purpura.  The Circuit Court Order can be seen HERE.    

 

August 22. 2016- It has been just over a month since the last update.  That does not mean however that nothing has been happening.  Much has.   In fact too much to relate completely here.  So please click on this link to view a posted update on TPATH.  A short summary of that article:  Judge Shipp has been removed from the case.  Motions were filed in the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals.  Much more.   Link to  the Update Article  SHAKE UP IN THE FEDERAL COURT

Thank you for the update, and all the hard work.

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TPATH and the SAPPA Group posted an article for our readers.

It is called "Over A Year and Still Standing".

Thought some of you might like to see it.

You can see it on www.tpath.org  HERE

Or you can download it in PDF format  PDF HERE

 

Also you can download or read the Circuit Court Appeal   HERE

 

Will keep you all informed right here if any news breaks.

Regards,

Dwight

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Hey,

Sorry, I forgot to mention that we here at the SAPPA Group are working on something very important.  Many of us have worked for Trump during the primaries and therefore are on a list that allows us access to NJ State Campaign managers.  We have approached them with a basic view of our plan.

We were told that they are interested in it and will, after we present it to them, pass it on to the National Campaign. 

 

I can't tell you more right now but understand that this will show how far Mr. Trump is willing to go, as he says in his rallies, to  "protect your Second Amendment".   We shall see.

 

Dwight

Thanks for the update, Dwight. Youre keeping hope alive in this wasteland of a state.

Dwight, thanks for the update... The circuit court will probably not do anything good...we really NEED a Constitutionally-conscious SCOTUS, which means we need Trump as President, which is a long shot. He has to win by a vast majority or the contest will be twerked by the powers-that-be. Our second-best hope is a Republican Senate for when Hillary starts proposing radicals for a bench seat.

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Dwight, thanks for the update... The circuit court will probably not do anything good...we really NEED a Constitutionally-conscious SCOTUS, which means we need Trump as President, which is a long shot. He has to win by a vast majority or the contest will be twerked by the powers-that-be. Our second-best hope is a Republican Senate for when Hillary starts proposing radicals for a bench seat.

 

So against all odds, we now have that.  Let's hope this can finally move forward.  

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Hi,

Yes, much is new.  We are in process of filing 3 Appeals to the Circuit Court.  Appeals that the Court refused to hear because of what they called "lack of jurisdiction".  After filing an encompassing letter to the Court, pointing out precedent for what we asked, they changed their mind and decided to look at it.

 

As you know our lawsuit deals with three groups.  The executive branch violators, the judicial and the municipal.  As a result we need to file a separate Brief in the Appeals Court for each one.   

 

Nick and I have prepared and completed the Municipal Brief, the Executive Brief is in its final editing,  the Judicial has not been prepared yet as we are awaiting their response to the Circuit Court.  They are having trouble, we presume, putting together a defense because they have requested and been granted an extension. We have anticipated much of what they will try and we are pretty well prepared for them.

 

Once the three Appeal Briefs are filed, we will be posting them on the SAPPA Pages of TPATH.  I will drop a note here when they are posted.

 

I know many of us had little faith that a pro se could survive even a week against crooked judges and the combined efforts of three groups of professional attorneys, but here we are, almost 18 months and we have witnessed several hot shot lawyers being replaced and a District Court Judge, removed.  We know the Circuit Court is trying to find some way they can dump our case, without ruling on the merits.  The District Court tried that and those geniuses have been sent packing.  If the Circuit Court is foolish enough to try the same thing, it will provide much for our case when it gets to the Supreme Court.  Hopefully after Trump appoints a strong 2nd Amendment Justice. 

 

Finally, once it leaves the 3rd Circuit and we begin preparing for the Supreme Court, we will for the first time begin asking for help, both monetary and social media wise. Because at that time publicity, publicity, publicity, will be our greatest weapon regarding getting the attention it needs so that the Supreme Court will take special notice of it when deciding which cases to hear.

 

That's all for now.  I'll keep you posted.

Dwight

Keep us informed! And Thankyou gentleman for your ongoing efforts. Your future call I will respond.

Looking good.

 

Getting past "Lack of Jurisdiction" should be a key to making this move forward.

Hey,

Sorry, I forgot to mention that we here at the SAPPA Group are working on something very important.  Many of us have worked for Trump during the primaries and therefore are on a list that allows us access to NJ State Campaign managers.  We have approached them with a basic view of our plan.

We were told that they are interested in it and will, after we present it to them, pass it on to the National Campaign. 

 

I can't tell you more right now but understand that this will show how far Mr. Trump is willing to go, as he says in his rallies, to  "protect your Second Amendment".   We shall see.

 

Dwight

Stupid question. Why were you working for Trump in NJ?

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Winning this one would make for a happy new year.

 

How's it looking?

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Hey All,

New updates and information are coming up in several days.

Dwight

&

Nick

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Hey All,

As promised here is an update on the federal lawsuit.  Rather than rewrite all that has happened I will paste in the latest log entries with active links.

Please be advised that at any time you can go to the SAPPA Pages of TPATH to see the documents that have been generated and filed.

 

On another note, but related to our Federal lawsuit, Mr. Purpura has taken on a battle with the Chief of Police in his hometown of Wall.  SOme of you may know already that Nick's name turned up on a Jihadist website as a target for death.  The FBI informed not just him, but Monmouth County Officials and the Wall Police Department.  As a result Nick filed and was denied a carry permit by his Chief of Police.  A man named Brice.

We are now in the process of appealing that denial in the Superior Court of NJ.  We will be posting those documents on a separate web pages very soon.  I'll update this forum when we get that done.

 

Here now the latest info and update on our Federal Lawsuit:

December 29, 2016- NOTE TO LOG ENTRY: If the Reply Brief we submitted on December 16, 2016 is read, one will see that the defense used a long time defense of claiming Mr. Purpura has no "standing" since he personally was never denied a carry permit.  Of course, many times over in several filings it was explained that since no common citizen in New Jersey is ever issued a carry permit, just being a citizen here gives one standing.

 

However, several months ago, Mr. Purpura was contacted by the FBI's Terrorism Task Force and informed that he was on a Jihadist website as a potential target.  Mr. Purpura lectures on the Constitution and how Sharia law is at odds with it, which might explain why he is being targeted.  But that information encouraged him to apply for a carry permit.  

 

Wall Township has been long delaying a determination on his application so we subsequently prepared a letter and sent it to the Police Chief.  HERE is that letter.  Granted this situation and the associated documents are not technically involved with our lawsuit, but it supports in so many ways, the points which have been made in Mr. Purpura's original Brief filed in the Federal District Court of Trenton.  It should be noted here that the letter sent to the Chief post dated the response Nick received on his application.  In other words, our letter was sent on December 29, 2016.  The Chief's letter was written on the 23rd but not mailed to Nick until December 30th.   So his application for a carry permit, as you might expect, was denied but it was denied before they read Nick's letter.  Nick will be appealing this denial to the Superior Court of NJ.  As is his right.

 

December 16, 2016- ​After some very careful preparation, research and editing we managed to complete the Reply Brief for the Third Circuit.  This document has encompassed the three Briefs submitted by the three sets of defense attorneys.  As you will recall we were denied the right to submit individual responses to each defendant even though they were allowed to submit three.  

 

The entire document that was submitted included not just the Reply Brief you see HERE  also included all the required bound volumes for the court and the Defendants.  Notice too that we included a Cover Letter with our filing.  That letter can be seen HERE as a separate document. It is entitled "Integrity Tainted by Injustice".   

 

October 18, 2016- The Jurisdictional Brief was formally submitted to the Circuit Court of Appeals.  There may be a panel of just three (3) judges deciding this or the entire Circuit Court group of judges may be involved.  Mr.Purpura requested that it go before the entire Court, legally called en banc.  We will now have to wait and see just how they will handle this.  The filing can be seen HERE.

​

October 15, 2016- Mr. Purpura received a response form  Circuit Court regarding his request for page enlargement.  They agreed to allow six (6) additional pages. However, since we are working on a deadline, the Brief had gone through its final editing and was complete and ready to be filed without the need for these extra pages.  

 

October 5, 2016- Having not received a response from the  Circuit Court concerning our enlargement request, the filing was edited down to the 30 page limit and all of us believe this document to be complete, impressive and the information in it will be very hard to ignore.  This document will, when filed, have a TitlePage, a table of contents and a list of the authorities we used in its preparation. 

 

October  3, 2016- As we struggled to get the Brief down to the 30 page limit Mr. Purpura prepared and sent a letter to the Circuit Court requesting an enlargement of the page limit because the filing would need to encompass three Defense Teams.   See that letter HERE.

 

September 20, 2016- Mr. Purpura began the research needed to prove Circuit Court Jurisdiction and working with the SAPPA Group member, Dwight Kehoe, began preparing and editing this very important new filing.  This task was monumental in that the information regarding the three Defense Teams needed to be compressed into a 30 page maximum filing.  It also needed to include Title Page, indexes and authorities which are required to prove Jurisdiction.

 

September 12, 2016- The United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit issued a new Court Order in response to Mr. Purpura's  filing which explained that the Circuit Court did indeed have Jurisdiction concerning the District Court's ruling. That Order, which issued a C.A. Number of 16-3173  to this case, changed its earlier Order and issued this new one which indicated that there may in fact be Jurisdiction for them.  This is great news because with this new order, we can get much information to the Circuit Court that we feel they need to be aware of. We need to make it clear that this new order does not totally agree with Mr. Purpura concerning Jurisdiction but only that it has agreed to have a panel look at it.  This can be considered nothing less than yet another successful maneuver by our own Pre Se, Mr. Nicholas Purpura.  The Circuit Court Order can be seen HERE.   

Will the court take into account their "no standing" position now that he's been denied?

Will the court take into account their "no standing" position now that he's been denied?

Nick will get a permit. I'll bet you a drink

This is so friggin infuriating. Look at the rest of the damn country you jerks. I can't believe in this day and age that Jersey is still pulling this crap.

 

Every time you contact these d-bags, be sure to remind them to never leave New Jersey because 47 states allow people to carry guns. And, Yes, people carry guns at Disney World, too.

This is so friggin infuriating. Look at the rest of the damn country you jerks. I can't believe in this day and age that Jersey is still pulling this crap.

 

Every time you contact these d-bags, be sure to remind them to never leave New Jersey because 47 states allow people to carry guns. And, Yes, people carry guns at Disney World, too.

http://nj1015.com/reasons-why-new-jerseyans-are-leaving-in-droves-djs-top-picks/

No bet. I think that you're right.

They know.

Jus takes$

This is so friggin infuriating. Look at the rest of the damn country you jerks. I can't believe in this day and age that Jersey is still pulling this crap.

 

Every time you contact these d-bags, be sure to remind them to never leave New Jersey because 47 states allow people to carry guns. And, Yes, people carry guns at Disney World, too.

47 states yes. Disney World no.

 

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47 states yes. Disney World no.

 

Correct.  Disney and the other "tourist" businesses are some of the strongest anti-gun forces in Florida. I think they are part of the reason why Open carry failed last year (ie. their support of the committee chairs that killed the legislation).  But it's already back on the table for 2017.  In fact, the first FL Senate committee hearings are scheduled for Jan. 10th.  And the one committee chair that bottled up all the bills (Sen. Diaz De La Portilla) was voted out of office!  Also, the bills committee routing bypasses the one committee that still has a Dem. chair. 

 

We think it just might pass this year!

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