Hey, that wouldn't bother ME at all! I'd have no problem behaving myself in a G-rated forum.

But I'm guessing your point is that some of the boys on here might be devastated if they couldn't freely talk about sex... and smoking cigars... and drinking, etc. etc. Man, you guys got a lot of vices.

I'm fine with it. I don't drink, I don't smoke cigars, and I'm married.

 

 

If the rules are clear I can either play within in them or choose not to participate. Everyone else I'm sure can do the same. If not Mods can have a field day banning people.

 

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Just now, Mrs. Peel said:

Hey, that wouldn't bother ME at all! I'd have no problem behaving myself in a G-rated forum.

But I'm guessing your point is that some of the boys on here might be devastated if they couldn't freely talk about sex... and smoking cigars... and drinking, etc. etc. Man, you guys got a lot of vices.

Let's just say it's a curse that you could NEVER understand!

If the forum is going G Rated make an announcement. No politics either on main area guns only. Basically follow the format of RMNF except don't allow any cursing at all either. Finally for God's sake change the 1A password and make it private. Require proof of age to get password.

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I've seen the communities on VOAT - not something I want to be a part of... the best thing about reddit /r/cigars and pipetobacco and the other subs is the community involvement - trades/gifts/meetups/etc.  Reddit's killing the whole thing.

That is their prerogative. It is their forum and they want to censor. How is it any different than removing posts and threads? At least they gave notice first.

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Just now, capt14k said:

If the forum is going G Rated make an announcement. No politics either on main area guns only. Basically follow the format of RMNF except don't allow any cursing at all either. Finally for God's sake change the 1A password and make it private. Require proof of age to get password.

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Reality is ...... it will never get to that extent.....  I would like a more PG-13 forum..... I would never expect a G rated gun forum... 

The biggest thing that disappoints me is the fact we tend to eat our own here....  there is no understanding other points of view that differ .....

 

Reality is ...... it will never get to that extent.....  I would like a more PG-13 forum..... I would never expect a G rated gun forum... 
The biggest thing that disappoints me is the fact we tend to eat our own here....  there is no understanding other points of view that differ .....
 

Men quarrel. That is how they get to the point of compromise, understanding, and mutual respect.

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3 minutes ago, capt14k said:

That is their prerogative. It is their forum and they want to censor. How is it any different than removing posts and threads? At least they gave notice first.

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That's the thing - they gave no notice.  All of a sudden - BAM - done.  Subreddits gone/banned.  Luckily we got a modmessage from the admins regarding the change right when it was put in place, but man... there was 0 warning.

Hey...... I get that, but sometimes we tend to do more then quarrel. You should see the PM's I get....

Anyway.....  I do think the main part of the forum should be dedicated to the Hobby/Sport of firearms.....  then a separate section dealing with todays political climate with open adult discussion..... and then the 1A forum where you are free to express opinions in any way you seem fit..... out of the sight of the public eye

That's the thing - they gave no notice.  All of a sudden - BAM - done.  Subreddits gone/banned.  Luckily we got a modmessage from the admins regarding the change right when it was put in place, but man... there was 0 warning.

I thought they posted it earlier today.

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Hey...... I get that, but sometimes we tend to do more then quarrel. You should see the PM's I get.... Anyway.....  I do think the main part of the forum should be dedicated to the Hobby/Sport of firearms.....  then a separate section dealing with todays political climate with open adult discussion..... and then the 1A forum where you are free to express opinions in any way you seem fit..... out of the sight of the public eye 

 

Because rules are applied differently. There is either zero censorship, or full censorship. Anything in between doesn't work. Same goes for it is either G rated or R rated anything in between will not work, because there will be too much subjectivity in applying the rules. Having an open adult political discussion section also would need to be privately password protected if you want a G rated forum.  

 

I don't think there is a need for a separate area for political discussion from 1A, but maybe there are enough that can't handle an open, free, and honest discussion. I don't know I guess that depends on how many members feel there is a need for that safer section.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, capt14k said:

I thought they posted it earlier today.
 

They posted it and immediately made the change.  0 warning.

Why is there no in between.... ? 

Thats like saying there is either G rated movies or X rated....  All or nothing? ...... there are many things in this world have compromises...

Why is there no in between.... ? 

Thats like saying there is either G rated movies or X rated....  All or nothing? ...... there are many things in this world have compromises...

Because it doesn't work. Try it and you will find out why. Also I wouldn't let my children visit an in between so doesn't that defeat the purpose of having children participating in the forum?

 

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They posted it and immediately made the change.  0 warning.

That must be frustrating.

 

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Meh..... I have been doing a pretty good job here the past few years..... granted, it;s not perfect, but I do the best I can 

Meh..... I have been doing a pretty good job here the past few years..... granted, it;s not perfect, but I do the best I can 

Would you allow your children to visit the forum? The point of making it G rated was so that children would visit the forum.

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3 minutes ago, capt14k said:

Because it doesn't work. Try it and you will find out why.
 

I think the Disney channel has it pretty much down...

I think the Disney channel has it pretty much down...

They do. Do you see cigar smoking, alcohol drinking, politics, etc on Disney Channel?

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For the most part..... a young adult can read this forum.... I try and keep it clean

For the most part..... a young adult can read this forum.... I try and keep it clean

 

16 maybe, 17 year old yes. 13 year old most certainly not. Plus they can just click 1A and type in the password that is in plain view.

 

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2 minutes ago, capt14k said:

They do. Do you see cigar smoking, alcohol drinking, politics, etc on Disney Channel?
 

Some.. but not much.... honestly - if this place became like the Disney channel I wouldn't wanna be here.  

Well.... to be honest, the reason for the password on the 1A forum was so Search Engines dont pick up on those threads..... not to keep members out...

@Mrs Peel I think we have our answer. The Mods don't want the forum as a place for children coming into the shooting sports. Though I do think there should be a place for them to go to. I think it could be done here by splitting the forum into 1A and everything else, but I tend to agree this is not the place for children under the current setup.

 

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Some.. but not much.... honestly - if this place became like the Disney channel I wouldn't wanna be here.  

I can't say I blame you, but you also can't say this is a place for children.

My kids watch a lot of Disney and by default I see plenty of it too. There is not some vices, it is none on Disney.

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1 minute ago, capt14k said:

@Mrs Peel I think we have our answer. The Mods don't want the forum as a place for children coming into the shooting sports. Though I do think there should be a place for them to go to. I think it could be done here by splitting the forum into 1A and everything else, but I tend to agree this is not the place as is.

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Mmmm... interesting. I still think that driving shooting communities to places like Pornhub and Voat is NOT the way to go. Why should we allow our opposition to drive us "underground"? Again, I say, we're gun owners, not pedophiles or flashers!! Geez, Louise. I refuse to be demonized and ostracized as though I'm not a member of "decent society". That's B.S.

Mmmm... interesting. I still think that driving shooting communities to places like Pornhub and Voat is NOT the way to go. Why should we allow our opposition to drive us "underground"? Again, I say, we're gun owners, not pedophiles or flashers!! Geez, Louise. I refuse to be demonized and ostracized as though I'm not a member of "decent society". That's B.S.

I agree with this as well, but the reason forums are dying IMO is censorship. It's very hypocritical to say you are Pro 2A then to infringe on 1A. Reddit could remove gun deals without much backlash, because there weren't enough people left there. The same will happen with all the forums Vertical Scope purchased. The ones that didn't sell out, but do censor will die a slower death.


YouTube is a whole other issue. That is Google owned and they are trying to censor anything to do with 2A or anyone that questions the official narrative.

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9 minutes ago, capt14k said:

I agree with this as well, but the reason forums are dying IMO is censorship. It's very hypocritical to say you are Pro 2A then to infringe on 1A. Reddit could remove gun deals without much backlash, because there weren't enough people left there. The same will happen with all the forums Vertical Scope purchased. The ones that didn't sell out, but do censor will die a slower death.


YouTube is a whole other issue. That is Google owned and they are trying to censor anything to do with 2A or anyone that questions the official narrative.

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Yeah, YouTube bothers the hell out of me... cuz I love that place. But they're getting overbearing.

Interesting that a thread about Reddit censorship ended up talking about “censorship” here. Not that I don’t understand both sides, just an interesting self-reflection. 

FYI: stop-gap solution has been set up on Dischord. Discord

i don’t know anything about that site but appears less controversial than voat or Ph. 

13 hours ago, Indianajonze said:

ah just wait. reddit is only the beginning. the entire firearm community, users and manufacturers, will be wiped from social media by the start of summer. instagram, facebook, twitter, youtube, all of it. that will be act 1. for act 2 i'd like everyone to recall a year or so ago a story whereby some very anti-gun company was going around buying up all of the gun forums, including this one. nobody cared, nobody worried. business as usual. act 2 is going to be fun

^^^^^^^   this

 

Facebook is next......

7 hours ago, Krdshrk said:

I've seen the communities on VOAT - not something I want to be a part of... the best thing about reddit /r/cigars and pipetobacco and the other subs is the community involvement - trades/gifts/meetups/etc.  Reddit's killing the whole thing.

You don' have to join that specific community..... and you making @capt14k point....

 

Censorship is killing the group's you enjoy...that are not filled with hate etc.

6 hours ago, 67gtonut said:

Meh..... I have been doing a pretty good job here the past few years..... granted, it;s not perfect, but I do the best I can 

Yes !  You have and if anyone thinks otherwise I strongly disagree with them.....  

6 hours ago, Krdshrk said:

I think the Disney channel has it pretty much down...

As a Disney fanboy....  you have to look a little deeper to see the politics being injected. 

 

Disney is not squeaky clean....