CJack

I am going have to disagree on the "property owner rights" when it comes Constitutional Rights such as 2A. Perhaps I would have entertained the idea that property owners should have ultimate say in who can enter their property and under what conditions. But the society, law (or abuse of it), and Govt (the abuser) strayed toooo far away from it. Let me explain. Due to convoluted laws, unholy public / private "partnerships", insurance leverage, banking leverage etc, I am not sure the sign property owner puts up is what actually he/she believes in genuinely. Businesses operate on license approved by Govt. When Govt pulls leverage directly and indirectly, how can one really tell if its the business what is opposed to certain things or its the leverage thats causing them to oppose such things ? This was very evident with the C-19 "pandemic". Under the threat of business permit getting pulled, hammer of regulation (completely unrelated to actual nature of business) and insurance threats / costs, many businesses just folded and put the signs up. When you walk into the business, you can even see the tell-tale signs of coercion. If its REALLY upto the property owners, then Govt should not have directly and indirectly pulled leverage in the direction it wants those businesses to buckle. So, as average citizen, what are your options ? Do nothing and stop doing giving money to businesses ? To what extent ? What if ALL corporate owned grocery stores in the town puts up signs (just like they are forced to do for C-19) ? Are you supposed to stay quiet and go hungry ? Or you supposed to exercise your 2A but just hope no one notices or some Karen doesnt call cops ? Or should People band together and sue the sh*t of everyone involved including the business ? What if Airlines, Amtrak, Grayhound, Transit etc all put up signs saying no carry. Most of them are private "technically" but are HUGE recipients of public / tax money. What are you supposed to do ? Walk, take a buggy ? How is that different from what NJ Court System told Carry Applicants before Bruen - "Find a different business or way to make a living, or move out of NJ".

Wait.. there is a guy who posted few pages earlier in this thread that he got call to pick up his permit. But he didnt post the picture or any follow up.

NJSP is the larger organization with many functions, including give you speeding tickets on certain highways..lol.. FIU is sub-division of NJSP that is responsible for all of Firearms Investigative Unit work.

FIU plays role of PD, in that they conduct the primary background check, mental heal evaluation, fill out SP-407 (investigation report?), create full package and then send it to Superior Court judge if approved.

Anyone know who actually handles Mental Health verification ? 5 weeks into this process and I am getting conflicting information. Two weeks ago I was told "background check completed and ready for Chief" and now am told that "we are waiting for mental health check from state" ? Am I getting a run around ?

We DO care about going into court, govt building or school (note its not just some kindergarden, its high schools, educational institutes, colleges, school grounds and lot more etc). I care about going to library and taking advantage of reading books that my tax payer dollars pay for. I want to be able to go lobby of my PD and conduct business as usual without having to be treated like criminal. I want to be able to go for a walk, jog and do other normal, free person does everyday on public college grounds if I happen to live near by. Point is, why am I (and you, and millions of law abiding) need to be punished unfairly for some "public safety, sensitive location" crap ? They want to secure public safety, make it a mandatory death penalty for anyone who illegally uses firearms and commits murders, regardless of location. I will be ok with that. Either one is in Govt's care and Govt guarantees safety of the person or one is FREE and can exercise 2A as they see fit and protect themselves. Cannot have stuff in the middle.

My FPIC did not come laminated and never heard anyone getting a laminated FPIC. People did their own lamination. And FPIC is also strange size that does not fit well in wallets.

Sorry guys, we have to shutdown NJ NICS for 2 months due to this power line. Oh, we are backlogged at the Superior Courts across the state due to this power outage. That means your PTCs are on hold until further notice.. Lol

Double banning and virtue signaling is the problem. They are not stupid and whole point of this is to rile up other towns, stir the pot and see if anyone sues.

More than anything else, the system has to know regular Joe out there is not some illiterate idiot who can be ignored. Just like professional standards and internal affairs, its far more important to report incidents than leaving them be, even if we know nothing good may out of it immediately. Imagine every applicant out there sending registered mail with a personal statement including this directive attached and request to process their dang application within the timelines outlined.

Thanks for sharing. Assuming they need fingerprints to run the background check (mental health may proceed in parallel), your really took about a month and half from FP to permit in hand. If you remove the time NJSP sat on your permit after it was issues, its really a month since your FP to court issuing., isnt it ? Hoping the process improves dramatically but PDs themselves are sitting on these permits for more than a month already.

How much of your 2-3 months is with PD vs Court ? Ball park ?

Then call the Superior Court. If only every applicant called, emailed etc everyone from PD to country prosecutor (if they got involved) and Superior Courts. Too many think its not "nice" to follow up. PD gets 30 days before follow up. Courts get two to three weeks before follow up. PD gets a certified letter after 60 days. Courts get certified letter after 30 days.

Bergen County is dragging its feet. Multiple reports indicate (FB and my PD) that bergen county PDs got opportunity to turn in application this week. There are some reports that the applications were turned into "DA" office, what ever that means. My hope is that PD is not going claim they did their job and court gonna claim they never got them, in the meantime applications rot in some "DA" office until cows come home. Judge Kazlau of superior court is the one who processes permit applications in Bergen County. 201-221-0700 Ext 25512.

I agree 100% but we also have to understand that in the civilized world, the right course of action is lawsuits. Now that great Justice Thomas directly quoted "permit abuse" in the Bruen opinion, it should open more doors for lawsuits when combined with the 30 day directive.

Its the Govt folks. PD doesnt want to do anything that goes against Country Prosecutor. NJSP doesnt want to do anything against AG. AG doesnt want to do anything that goes against Sabertooth. Judges dont want to do anything that goes against established process (and, unfortunately in the current law). Sure, just like they removed "Justifiable Need" out of the process without actually changing the law or admin code yet, they could read SCOTUS opinion and say " we gonna get rid of 'abusive" steps" out of the process. But that would mean someone sticking their neck out. And that ain't happening in Govt, much less in NJ Govt. Sorry bud, thats what it is, or a class action law suit from FPC requesting immediate relief. And being PTC is used for self-protection, there is a real argument in favor of immediate relief.

Then you have to sue.

That is great news. Buttttt, does that mean they have no tracker at all at Court level in terms of what is approved and what is not ? And does it also mean they are not requiring zoom/inperson attendance ?

Yo my man in robe, Wazup, when u gonna sign my papper. I wanna pack my shit and go see my gurl..

If the court had it for 17 days and you have not heard from them, I would write a nice letter to judge requesting approval within the time window of the directive. And attach copy of the directive 2019

What I heard and read is, 60 days for the PD (law / admin code) and 30 days for courts (courts directive from 2019). How long its been since your app was sent to court ?

NRA is trying to make a buck off this. They supported enough gun laws. Either they get aggressive with pushing back and stop feeding more sh*t into the laws or they should go out of business.

I aint no lawyer, but the document says "remanding the matter for further proceedings".. right ? https://federalcriminallawcenter.com/2021/10/what-does-remand-for-further-proceedings-mean/

On the format, every range is doing their own thing. So you do what you feel comfortable or ask your PD of any preference. One NJ PD put up some sample documents on their website - https://www.oldbridge.com/page/firearms-applications . Again, thats just sample and their suggestion. You do you.

Stop by and you wont be disappointed. Only complaint I saw about them here is regarding some PD wanting the qual letter in the same format / verbiage as GFH and ReloaderZ refused.