CJack

I read that as "either". He also uses "alternative requirements". That tells me he is calling for ONE of those.

Title says it all. Since NJ is Permit to Carry. Who is opening carrying from day one and why ? Mods: Please move this to another place as appropriate. Just noticed the CCW area is for ccw discussion.

Attached is a recent letter from Bergen County Prosecutors Office. There is lot of typical NJ garbage in here, but pay attention to page 2. FYI. 20220718_122035.pdf

lol.. its MM/YY (Month and Year), not day.

The first page is revised and has 7/22 on the bottom left. They left the second page date as 6/22 :-) go figure.

He signed off on my quals :-). HCQ-1 I updated title to reflect what it really is.. A carry permit (not just ccw).

Agreed, but "violent felon" shouldn't be walking the society sucking at the Govt teet, having his/her voting rights restored etc. I know, I know, the ideals and reality are two very very different things. The very definition of felon (and even violent felon) has been misused, abused and watered down to a point that now, if NJ/NY/MA/RI etc gets their way someone is a felon for merely getting caught in "sensitive" place with a firearm. The State has proved over and over again that it has abused the laws on the books that are really meant for hardened criminals. And "subjective" restoration of 2A right is not happening in states like ours.

We have looooooooong road of lawsuits against PDs, States, scores of people getting arrested and their 2A stripped. Red Flag laws are already in place to strip 2A without due process. Very important to challenge any and all laws that turn someone into criminal for mere display of firearm. You know its coming. BTW, this is still a serious struggle even in states like Texas, New Hampshire etc.

It also time get the laws pertaining to "convicted felons" cannot exercise 2A, thrown out. States like NJ are actively making laws to turn a regular law-abiding citizens into "felons" by simple things like concealed carrying in a "sensitive location" etc. Its the same States that also actively advertise how people who served their felony sentences can restoring voting "rights". If a person can walk around in free society, work a job, pay taxes and not a ward of the state, then that person should be able to exercise ALL of their rights not just those massa allows us. If a person is such a threat that they cannot be trusted with 2A, then they should either be incarcerated, be ward of state or death penalty.

We DO NOT have any (yet) direct account of approval or denial. In this thread, lot of accounts of people who applied (including myself). Barring the confusion created by people questioning legality of what NJSP laid out, my personal opinion is that the process is as clear as it can get for a while. So if you want to apply and have money, follow published NJSP directions (ONE PAGE instruction sheet that clearly lays out) or local PD instructions. All other "what-if", "why-do-i-need-to-spend", "ranges-are-robbing-everyone", "no-body-knows-what-they-are-doing" is, while great discussions points to be had, are not helpful to those who like to apply sooner than later.

We may not be able to get the permit process removed, but we have to bring in lawsuits against EVERY ONE of the above 3 attack vectors Anti-s are pursuing relentlessly. Every one of them is severe danger to long term 2A. We got opportunity and its VERY important to go on offense and go very strong. Money, money and more money. In addition to the voting, we need to get TONS of money into the hands of organization that are bringing real lawsuits. We got healthy competition in 2A space as various organizations

I am very concerned about SCOTUS siding with any permitting that purports to ensure "law abiding and responsible". Anti's long game (among other things) is to hack at 2A in following ways: 1. Restrict and eliminate (taxes, regulations, lawsuits, supply restrictions, tariffs etc) manufacturing of Arms , Ammunition and related parts for private / commercial market. 2. Eliminate private / do-it-yourself making of Citizen own arms, ammunition and related parts. A.K.A laws against "Ghost guns", constrict supply of reloading parts, supplies etc. 3. Criminalize trivial things under much more severe category so as to use that to strip and deny 2A. This is where "law abiding and responsible" is going to be used against the People. Anti's are atleast 30 years (in SCOTUS ruling timeline) ahead of the game in sh*tting these laws out like there is no tomorrow. We all know 1A, Due Process etc do NOT have any of this non-sense. We as society afford Due Process to even MOST HEINOUS criminals out there without fail, without a test, without exceptions. So, I am highly disappointed most of the SCOTUS watered down the 2A support where as they could have just kept quiet and leave it future cases if need be.

Always GO TO https://www.nj.gov/njsp/firearms/forms.shtml for latest version of NJSP forms and instructions. No direct links, no book marks, no getting stuff some some place else..

Question is, exactly HOW we get there ? Bruen decision did NOT invalidate permitting schemes. How do you see anyone challenging and getting rid of permitting scheme completely ? ----------------------------------- To be clear, nothing in our analysis should be interpreted to suggest the unconstitutionality of the 43 States' "shall-issue" licensing regimes, under which "a general desire for self-defense is sufficient to obtain a [permit]." Drake v. Filko (CA3 2013) (Hardiman, J., dissenting). Because these licensing regimes do not require applicants to show an atypical need for armed self-defense, they do not necessarily prevent "law-abiding, responsible citizens" from exercising their Second Amendment right to public carry. District of Columbia v. Heller (2008). https://reason.com/volokh/2022/06/27/the-limits-of-bruen/

Since some of the threads meant for NJ Carry Process Experience are getting bombarded with Constitutional Carry discussion, lets take it here if thats ok. How do folks see Constitutional Carry coming to NJ ? Never, ever happening ? NJ Politicians finally seeing this as non issue and abiding by Constitution (LOL) ? NJ Courts seeing the light and smacking NJ laws down ? SCOTUS ruling(s) in another 10 years from now ? Something else ? What do you think @xXxplosive ? How do you see this playing out ?

Guy, you promised earlier not to keep repeating your stuff in this thread. I get it. I appreciate if you can leave this thread for sharing experiences with current process and open a new thread where we all can discuss whats really wrong with NJ until cows come home.

For me it wasn't about which qual "guarantees" or which one makes me Bond 007. I was looking for cheapest qual at the time that can get me the signed piece of paper. Thats it. Nothing more, nothing less. When dust settles, pretty sure quals going to be "free'" with some range membership or may be someone will sign off qual for real cheap like $40 bucks.

Did you say $200 for Notary ? Was the guy gold plating the stamp ?

I always thought that was to just mess with applicants .. LOL.. nah! that makes sense (as much as it does in this state). So I guess 4 pictures, one for each copy and one for the permit itself.. . Brilliant!. I wonder if a copy gets sent to FIU as FYI or do they actually wait for some approval from NJSP. We are F'd with bottleneck there if every application has to go through FIU.

Do we have any applicants , PDs or other credible source to confirm that ? And what could be purpose of sending the application to NJSP be ? Just confusion and ignorance ?

Then, if he meant what he said, they should get your app approved and out to then court no more than two weeks. Good luck and keep us posted for sure.

Very likely the application did not goto NJSP at all. More likely he thought it was ok, then referred to the NJSP material, internal checklist or called NJSP to get clarification.

The fingerprints usually comes back in couple of days. How quickly do they usually process your pistol permits ? I would imagine background check for this one should take same or less time.

Even Hell doesnt want some people.