GRIZ

This was at the Plainfield city hall, not at a firing range. It doesn't have to be at a range. Please read the statute as I have posted it above, "if the transfer is made upon a firing range operated by a licensed dealer, by a law enforcement agency," All of those weapons are seized as evidence If they are evidence they are in custody of the police department the "transfer" is legal as per the statute. That's the same comma as in the 2A. A comma is a separation of elements in a sentence. Just as a well regulated miltia has nothing to do with the right of the people to keep and bear arms, a firing range has nothing to do with a law enforcement agency in the statute.

Hey guys, calm down. The "transfer" seems to be legal as: N.J.S.2C:58-2, may temporarily transfer a handgun, rifleor shotgun to another person who is 18 years of age or older, whether or not the person receiving the firearm holds a firearms purchaser identification card or a permit to carry a handgun. The person to whom a handgun, rifle or shotgun is temporarily transferred by the legal owner of the firearm or a licensed dealer may receive, possess, carry and use that handgun, rifle or shotgun, if the transfer is made upon a firing range operated by a licensed dealer, by a law enforcement agency, These guns were undoubtedly supplied by a LE agency. If the LE agency legally possesses the firearm It seems that this temporary transfer is legal.

The victim told police he knocked on the door of the residence to deliver food that had been ordered when white male opened the door, pointed a black handgun at him, and told him to come in. Thank you for posting this. perhaps I have more insight to what actually happened vs how it is reported in the press after over 30 years as a LEO having been involved ion at least a couple of thousand incidents that made the press. To automatically take the criminal's side because he was arrested with guns does nothing to further the cause of 2A Rights. This thread is a perfect example of what we need to be careful of. People assumed: was it a 30 round permanently altered to only hold 15, or was did it actually have a capacity > 15? Why the conjecture? The article said high capacity magazine. This could as easily be taken as he had a holstered gun Same reason an armed person IN HIS OWN HOUSE with a HOLSTERED There were several comments regarding this guy's "holstered gun". No where in the original article does it say the gun was holstered. It said he had a gun. The victims perception of a legal act means jack. That's a heck of a legal argument. I said: The victim's perception of the situation as it fits the law not the violator's intent is the determining factor. A perfect example would be the expression "I'm going to kick your a--". said many times in a joking manner and that depends on the victim's perception of the situation. Do I really think he's going to do that? Does it matter if the assailant says "I was only kidding". Telling someone "Come in the house" said unlike an invitation has three different meanings if the one who does the invitation is unarmed, has a holstered handgun, or is pointing a gun at you. Contrary to a widespread belief on internet gun forums better than 99% of the time the police arrest someone is because they have broken a law. We may not agree with the law in some cases but until something is done to change it we have to just suck it up.

Where does the story say he assaulted the delivery guy? The story does not say it. Please read the statutes posted by SJ Eal. The victim's perception of the situation as it fits the law not the violator's intent is the determining factor. Kidnapped, give me a break As I said if the delivery guy felt threatened (he may be shot if he doesn't comply) when the guy told him to come in the house (yes we don't know the tone of that request). I withold support or condemnation for the guy without details. I think most would construe making excuses for his actions, claiming the guy had his gun in a holster when the story doesn't say if it was in a holster, his hand, or his teeth, and giving out of context analogies "If a large man walks up to a small... as supporting the guy. You've hever said the guy could, just maybe, be wrong.

oops, double post!

He assaulted the delivery guy and kidnapped him. I'm not the only one thinking that way. Dan said: Because the delivery guy felt threatened, as he felt compelled to obey the order to step into the house for fear of getting shot. If the delivery guy felt threatened. whether or not the guy had the gun out, he can be charged with assault. The unlawful capturing (threat of harm) and taking (ordering him in the house)constitutes kidnapping. It makes no diffrence if it were for 5 seconds or 5 days. Usually isn't charged that way but along the lines of illegal imprisonment. Yes we don't have the entire story but we have the internet gun forum wave of support for someone because he has guns.

Last I was aware of the Smyrna, GA PD (where Glock USA is headquartered) has used S&Ws for years. S&W offred them the same deal. all the free S&Ws they wanted.

So, if there were no drugs and the magazine on his AR is the 15 round type, But there were drugs and the article says high capacity magazine. I have no sympathy for this guy. Based on what the delivery man told the police there was probable cause to contain the guy and his weapons. He assaulted the delivery guy and kidnapped him. Search will hold up.

Ask the Germans, who lost two world wars using the 9 as their Service handgun load. This statement shows you have little to bring to the argument. A war has never been won or lost based on what pistol cartridge an army used. There are very few recorded instances of pistols being used on the battlefield. One independen opinion Did you read the entire link? the guy ends up by saying he keeps a 9, 40, and 45 available and carries based on what he foresees that day. He doesn't take a stand for the 45. Forget the 10mm as a military round, its way too much to get people trained up on. I believe the 45 is better than the 9mm but the 9 is better for general issue as I've already said.

I dont understand this myth that certain things are formulated to clean corrosive. Hoppes does nothing to kill the salts, There is something to being formulated to clean corrosive. The cleaner needs to contain water, ammonia, or if your a chemist you can answer this in detail, something that will chemically neutralize salts. Some fluids wash away the salt better than others. http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews2006/alittlesalt/index.asp This is the best test I have ever seen dealing with corrosive cleaner. It's several pages long with photos. You'll see nothing is better than water.

Never fly in NJ. Too easy to make into a handgun! There are similar revolver carbines for sale and owned by NJ residents. No harder to make into a handgun than any long gun and a hacksaw can't do.

Griz, training has come a long way. bbk, thanx for your post but I'm not that far removed (less tha 2 years) from training. Trust me, there are still guys that shoot the qual course once a year and that's it. The agency I worked for as a LEO gave you about 120 hrs (shooting approx 2000 rds) in initial training and required 8 hours of training per quarter minimum, (32 hrs a year (shooting at least 1000 rds a year). My formal training in the Army was about 4 hours block of instruction on the 1911 which included field stripping and dry firng but no live firing. I was issued 1911s, Model 10 38s, and I conducted the units training on the M9. At no time from SP4 to LTC was I ever asked if I knew how the pistol worked.

windex will evaporate quicker which does reduce the potential for any leftover moisture causing corrosion. True but all you need do is mix rubbing alcohol in the water to get the same effect. Or use WD40 which does it better as it displaces the water and doesn't just evaporate it.

Considering the goverment probably still has tons of 1911 in storage some where One of the issues involved in replacing the 1911 is that the military hadn't bought any new ones since 1945. I saw 1911s made in 1918 in the inventory in the 1980s. These had been rebuilt during WWII but they were still over 60 years old. As far as giving them to those ethat don't need them as much let me tell you something about pistol training in the military. The Army concentrates most of the training for the average troop into not sweeping someone with the muzzle. I worked with a lot of guys that only shot the 30 rds a year for qualification and that's all they shot a year. No rifles or anything else. Hard to develop proficienct shooting 30 rds a year. The 1911 is harder to shoot well than the M9. Better most have a pistol easier to hit with than better stopping power. The fact is there are very few accounts of anyone using a pistol in battle. It doesn't seem it made much difference in those that exist. More on this below. those who really need it, the units can pick their own weapons, no? Special OPs people have all the H&Ks, 1911s, Glocks, SIGs and anything else they need in whatever caliber they desire. Hold all the trials you wnat but the M9 is going to be around for some time. It gets the job done and lets not try to fix what ain't broken.

Forgot to add that if I use water I fllow up with...no!...heaven forbid!...WD40! WD40 was designed to displace water and this is a good use for it. After the WD40 I use normal cleaning materials.

You can leave it untill you get home and clean it, just do it the same day. This is what I do also. There is nothing better to do this than water. The myth about Windex is derived from when they used to be ammonia in Windex and that's good for cleaning copper fouling. Windex is mostly water and contains no magic ingredient. Hoppe's #9 will also remove corrosive salts. I've never found a rusty magazine due to corrosives salts in the priming compound although I suppose it could happen.

Its done to repair a muzzle crown that has been damgaed usually by sloppy cleaning (letting a steel cleaning rod bang against the muzzle) or if the firearm has been dropped on the muzzle. A nice clean crown is important to accuracy as that's the last part of the barrel to influence the bullet. It's usualy a counterbore deep enough to remove the damage and restore the crown. I've never seen one 1/4" and if it were a 1/4' I would suspect its been recrowned several times. Not something to be avoided AFAIC. It shows the muzzle has been trued up. Common in many milsurps. Its the only way the muzzle can be fixed short of a rebarrel. Many inaccurate rifles have been turned into accurate rifles with a recrown.

The deal was that if Beretta wins the contract, they would build the M9 pistols in the United States. This will always be the deal the US military cuts on a big contract. We want the manufacturing facility in the US for big number items. Also remember SIG won the first round of tests, DOD invalidated them for reasons to be discussed elsewhere and Beretta won the second round. Winning the trials isn't the only obstacle. I agree the 45 is a better stopper than the 9 but the 9 is more user friendly to the average troop, it's the standard NATO pistol round, and the M9 ain't going anywhere, moreso with people being fed up with government spending. Those DOD components that need better stopping power already buy SIGs , Glocks, or whatever else they need in the numbers that need them.

You need to live 183 or more days out of the year in NJ to be considered a NJ resident. You cannot claim residency in two states. Where is this 183 days from? A few posts later you say its 186? You can have dual residency with 3, 4, or 5 months in one state and the rest in another state. You don't need to own, rent, or have a mortgage. If you live in a tent in some place in the woods that can be your residence.

Long story short a screw must have backed out of the side of the revolver. When the shooter went to reload it spit the entire crane and cylinder!!!! This is more the result of poor maintenance than a catastrophic failure. If the screws were tightened properly it wouldn't have happened.

and...assuming you drive back to NJ...you will be able to carry until you get to MD/NJ. Depending what route he takes.

As long as he has his own place? ie, does living with mom and dad count? Lease or mtg in your name? I think many are making too much of this. If you have an adult child that pays no rent and lives in your house are they not a resident there? Owning property, having a lease, or future intentions hacve nothing to do has nothing to do with establishing a residence. If you really want to argue this point on a Constitutional level, the US Constitution requires a Census to determine how many Congresspeople your state gets. They count college students as residents of the state they are going to school in. Makes no difference if they own, or rent or live in a dorm. IE... lets say you get pulled over. Do you have firearms in the car? Yes Show me a purchase permit for it. There is no requirement to carry the purchase permit. Your concerns should be transporting the gun in a legal manner and being involved in a specified activity. As far as being Brian Aitken II I don't think he has anything to worry about as long as he doesn't say or do anything that makes his Mother call 911. Many forget that's where Aitken's problem started.

Here is the problem... if you are a NJ Resident... you are not supposed to buy guns in AZ. He may be considered a part year resident and buy firearms in both states.

I'd look for what feeds flawlessly and most accurate in your gun. There is no magic bullet that is going to make up for sloppy shot placement. I like WW 115gr Silvertip or 124 gr Speer Gold Dot in Glocks. Just about any 147 JHP in Taurus or Beretta. Beware of anyone giving absolutes as "the ABC 116 grain rhino roller ++P++ is best". You will see maybe 100-125 FPS maximum actual gain (chrongraphed) going to a +P or +P+. This isn't going to mak eor break a well placed shot. My idea of +P+ in 9mm is called 357 SIG. If you feel you need more gun start with more gun. There are those that will tell you to change springs etc etc. Something tells me the engineers that designed the gun know more about spring weights and ammo pressure levels than I do. I will use +P or +P+ 38s in 357 magnum guns but don't think they do anything in a semiauto pistol.

Illegal to carry but I don't think illegal to own. As you said it is an original and that reinforces the "collector" function as long as you keep it home or enroute to some show. Could you be arrested? I would put this in the same category as being arrested: 1. for possession of the single hollowpoint 2. for letting a friend handle one of your handguns at any other place then a range (illegal transfer as ssomeone pointed out in a recent thread)